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Tamwood
Thursday, September 13, 2012 10:50:02 PM
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I don't know if Zootanapuss has the same inside stories, etc that Glamourpuss has. Personally speaking, I think both books are a waste of paper and ink, but that's just one man's opinion.

Regardless, my shop received a copy of Zootanapuss #5 this week. I went to enter it into the database, and it was rejected because it's evidently a variant of Glamourpuss #26. And, indeed, when I looked it up on Diamond, it SAID that you received 1 Zootanapuss for every 3 Glamourpuss.

But the INDICIA does indeed say Zootanapuss, which is why I had made that CR.

Now, I'm not complaining, just asking for verification (and maybe some reference to back it up) ... IF two books are essentially the same, except for two DIFFERENT Indicia, and two DIFFFERENT titles on the book, do we still list then under one title?

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My opinion is they should be different books due to the different indicia but they should be linked together with a tag. Of course I've been wrong at least half the time.


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They are the same interiors, I verified before rejecting the title. Also, they are sold as variants (buy this many copies, get this signed Zootanapuss, etc). One is already listed in the database here.

The Zootanapuss book is labelled once on the interior as Zatanapuss, and on every other page listed as Glamourpuss as seen in the images below:





It is unique in it's presentation, but I don't think this should be listed as it's own title, thus the rejection.

Edit: But hey, I have been known to be wrong too (only in extremely rare instances ). Perhaps some more approvers want to weigh in?
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caseysorrow wrote:
They are the same interiors, I verified before rejecting the title. Also, they are sold as variants (buy this many copies, get this signed Zootanapuss, etc). One is already listed in the database here.

The Zootanapuss book is labelled once on the interior as Zatanapuss, and on every other page listed as Glamourpuss as seen in the images below:





It is unique in it's presentation, but I don't think this should be listed as it's own title, thus the rejection.

Edit: But hey, I have been known to be wrong too (only in extremely rare instances ). Perhaps some more approvers want to weigh in?


After seeing all this, I've got no problem with the way it's currently listed as a variant.
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So the scan Casey presents shows glamourpuss in the indicia. Tamwood - your issue was different? Right now, based on Casey's scan I'm leaning heavily towards variant.
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Tamwood
Friday, September 14, 2012 8:50:35 AM
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My understanding, and perhaps this is where I became confused, was that the black vertical strip acted as the Indicia, where it shows Zootanapuss at the top, followed by the issue number and date of publication, and then all the other credits/etc.

I'm happy to add it as a variant to the Glamourpuss issue, if that's the consensous.
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Tamwood wrote:
My understanding, and perhaps this is where I became confused, was that the black vertical strip acted as the Indicia, where it shows Zootanapuss at the top, followed by the issue number and date of publication, and then all the other credits/etc.

I'm happy to add it as a variant to the Glamourpuss issue, if that's the consensous.


What's the block of text at the bottom of the white section? I can't quite make it out in Casey's scans. That looks more like the traditional location for an indicia to me.

This is a pretty dumb way to make a variant if you ask me.

And no matter where it ends up, the Item Bio needs something to explain this stupidity of having a different title on the front and inside cover of the variant.
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What is listed on the bottom inside cover of both copies is the legal disclaimer "Legal Disclaimer: glamourpuss is a publication made up of POP CULTURE PARODY..."

This is an example of an indie publisher playing fast and loose with the indicia. I think Tamwood is correct in that the vertical info in the stripe would normally be considered the indicia. For legal purposes, it is Glamourpuss, but for the publishers (banned)s and giggles it is Zootanapuss (since it is all supposedly satire after all). Still voting for variant.

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caseysorrow wrote:
What is listed on the bottom inside cover of both copies is the legal disclaimer "Legal Disclaimer: glamourpuss is a publication made up of POP CULTURE PARODY..."

This is an example of an indie publisher playing fast and loose with the indicia. I think Tamwood is correct in that the vertical info in the stripe would normally be considered the indicia. For legal purposes, it is Glamourpuss, but for the publishers (banned)s and giggles it is Zootanapuss (since it is all supposedly satire after all). Still voting for variant.



Thanks Casey. I pulled down the images and tried to zoom in on them but it wasn't quite clear enough to tell. Given that it's not an indicia, yeah that black vertical should be the indicia.

While I completely see why it could be listed as a variant (inside content, everything else is Glamourpuss), because of the indicia I think it should be a separate title.

5 years from now if someone goes to catalogue this, where will they look for it if they have no clue it was released as a variant of Glamourpuss? Title on the cover and in the indicia says Zootanapuss. That's where they'll look, IMO.
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caseysorrow wrote:
What is listed on the bottom inside cover of both copies is the legal disclaimer "Legal Disclaimer: glamourpuss is a publication made up of POP CULTURE PARODY..."

This is an example of an indie publisher playing fast and loose with the indicia. I think Tamwood is correct in that the vertical info in the stripe would normally be considered the indicia. For legal purposes, it is Glamourpuss, but for the publishers (banned)s and giggles it is Zootanapuss (since it is all supposedly satire after all). Still voting for variant.


+1 on these being variants.
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padreglcc wrote:
caseysorrow wrote:
What is listed on the bottom inside cover of both copies is the legal disclaimer "Legal Disclaimer: glamourpuss is a publication made up of POP CULTURE PARODY..."

This is an example of an indie publisher playing fast and loose with the indicia. I think Tamwood is correct in that the vertical info in the stripe would normally be considered the indicia. For legal purposes, it is Glamourpuss, but for the publishers (banned)s and giggles it is Zootanapuss (since it is all supposedly satire after all). Still voting for variant.


+1 on these being variants.


I haven't seen the specific issue being discussed here, but I have seen this one. Given what I recall...

+1 for listing these as variants of Glamourpuss
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Tamwood
Friday, September 14, 2012 8:13:50 PM
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Alright. It looks like the majority of those who have responded are in favor of it being a variant of the Glamourpuss issue, so that's what I'll make the CR as.

Can anybody take a look at my other CR for Shadowman Black? I'd like to get that one added, too, if I can get the title add approved.

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