Right now in the DB we have two separate titles for this: Capt. Savage and Capt. Savage and His Leatherneck Raiders.

I have a dozen plus of these and what I have found is that issues #1-8 states in the indicia: "Capt. Savage and His Leatherneck Raiders" while #9 and up are simply "Captain Savage" even though the cover title changed to "and His Battlefield Raiders".

I realize that this is probably a moot point because so many are listed in both spots but what should it be? There is precedence for splitting in 2 - #1-8 as Capt. Savage and His Leatherneck Raiders and #9-19 as Captain Savage.

Thoughts?

Sorry to be a downer, but don't get your hopes up this will be addressed anytime soon. If you look in the Apprpvers Lounge (which I know you have access to), you'll notice I've started threads about two titles: T.H.E. Cat, and Eclipse Graphic Album. Both have been pretty much ignored.

It's on my personal agenda for the Approver conference calls to get more attention to the forums for user concerns. Pretty pointless to have these outlets if no one bothers to look at them.

The fact that, a dozen years later, and we still don't have any way to remove errors like this from the db really does make it a moot point. If we could delete the erroneous books from their respective titles, it'd be a different story.

Problems like this used to result in titles/issues being invalidated. Yeah, they were still there, but it could at least point people to use the proper entries.

I'm not holding my breath. Just starting a ticket in case it can ever be resolved. I found that I had a bit of overlap myself so I cleaned that up. I'm keeping mine split 1-8 and 9-19 for now just in case it is eventually fixed.

Just wanted to chime in here!

Resolving Captain Savage is a little bit trickier because 1) Both titles have 19 issues in them and 2) both titles have issues for sale...but that being said, we can work towards fixing it. It might take some steps but we can resolve it. The one thing we CAN'T do is merge or simply delete the data.

Thanks for looking into it, Steve!

Wouldn't have known about it had Corey not brought it to my attention so I'm not the one to thank!

I have scheduled the extra "Capt. Savage" cover title for recycling and have notified each storefront via PM to let them know to delist their inventory from this cover title and relist it under the other cover title. I've also edited the extra cover title to direct users to use the other cover title. The next step will be recycling the cover title once the stores delist their inventory.

So long term will this be kept as one continuous run of 19 issues, even though the indicia changes to a different title halfway through the series? I can understand keeping it as one series just to avoid the ugly "Invalid" entries showing up in the title.

In this case, yes, it's the path of least resistance. The alternative is invalidating issues in two different cover titles...and creating invalid issues is something I'd rather avoid since we can't do anything with them at this time.

Please note this does NOT create a precedent for future CRs to be handled this way because CCL doesn't have "RULES" in regards to CRs. Only Guidelines...which leaves us the flexibility to do a unique change like this.

I'm not sure about this solution.

There are numerous titles that are split because of changes in the indicia. Some are done correctly in that when the indicia changed, a new title was created and the next issue placed there. Others do have a few invalid issues and while they appear ugly cosmetically, they do point to the correct title.

If we are going to go down this road with this title, what will we do with others?

I hate to be the guy arguing for consistency but when managing any data base, consistency is key or things wil get messy quickly.

I think this needs a more permanent solution and one that can be applied across the board.

Exceptions can quickly become the rule.

I have to admit this was rolling around my head as well.

I could see us having to look at things closer if this was a legacy title that everyone collects or is still being published but I'd argue that this is the most conversation folks have given Captain Savage in years. lol

From the way I'm approaching it, users aren't looking for rules in this case (which is good because we have Guidelines not Rules...they're looking for a solution that's clean, makes sense and gets rid of the duplicate title. This provides that solution in a clean way that doesn't require invalidation of individual issues in 2 different cover titles. It only effects one cover title (avoiding invalidation completely) and allows us to cleanly structure the data into something we can use moving forward. It kills two birds with one stone. An alternative follows precedent, sure...but creates another problem by creating new invalid issues in both cover titles that we don't have the resources to get rid of right now.

I guess the way I'm approaching this is this is a problem that requires a solution but the solution doesn't have to set any precedent.

You guys are gonna make me create t-shirts that say "There are no Rules...only Guidelines" and send to you, aren't you? PM me your sizes. ;) lol j/k

My brothers, I've presented you with a solution here that avoids creating new invalidations, moves towards resolution on the problem, puts the stores who have items for sale into a single cover title and avoids stores EVER doing it again, only creates precedent if you let it and frees us up to move on to the next problem. I'd also like to point out that we're talking about creating a solution for a problem that effects less than 1% of the CCLdb. ;)

I guess this isn't the right time to bring up Reid Fleming, World's Toughest Milkman, eh?