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Trading Cards Guidelines

Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:48:01 GMT

UPDATED: February 17, 2010 GUIDELINES FOR ADDITION OF TRADING CARDS INTO THE CCL DATABASE ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Please follow the same guidelines when adding a trading card as a comic book. In order to make the Change Request process as quick as possible and to ensure the accuracy and consistency of our database, we have established the following guidelines. 1) Before getting started, take time to familiarize yourself with these guidelines, the “Visual Help Presentations” found on our message board Help Desk (http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/forum/Default.aspx?g=topics&f=28) and the desktop software’s current information and formats. 2) Before submitting any Change Request, use the Comic Collector Live website to research what we already have in the database. Sometimes you just need to update your software so your local data matches the CCL web site. The website is always up to date. So, check the CCL web site and update often. 3) Make the change as complete as possible. If you are updating a series be sure to make the change as complete as you can. For example; if you are attaching a story arc to a subset in cards, be sure to check that the other information is complete as well (i.e. cover price, publish date, artists, characters, etc…), especially if the item is right in front of you. Add all missing information if possible. 4) Include a comment and, when possible, a link to supporting information. Explain why you are making the Change Request. This will help us approve your requests much more efficiently. It will also help us to better communicate with you. Please be aware that any inappropriate comments will result in account deactivation for the offending member, so keep it clean. Our goal is to have the best, most informative database for the comic book community. You can find a "QUICK TIPS FOR NEW USERS" list for new submitters attached at the end of the guidelines. This is a great tool for "newbies" on CCL. [b]Policy On Quoting From Other Resources[/b] 1. Issue and title bios may include short pieces of text originating from the publisher and or creator and originally intending to act as a solicitation for the issue or title. If such text is included, it must be properly sourced, using formatting detailed in the guidelines. a. Acceptable sources for quoting include: i. Publisher's websites: marvel.com, dccomics.com, boom-studios.net, etc. ii. Creator's websites: Jinxworld.com, neilgaiman.com, busiek.com, etc. iii. Publisher sponsored title/character specific websites: spawn.com, astrocity.us, etc. iv. Locations on the issue/item itself: Inside Front Cover, Back Cover, Dust Jacket Flap, Back of Package, Front of Card, etc. v. Solicitations in other publications from the same publisher: Previous Issue, Marvel's Bullpen Bulletins, Marvel Age, etc. b. Unacceptable sources for quoting include: i. Independent fan sites and wikis: wikipedia.com, wildstormresource.wetpaint.com, marvel.wikia.com, dc.wikia.com, etc. ii. Comics news sites: comicbookresources.com, newsarama.com, ign.com etc. iii. Independent collector sites: comicbookdb.com, comics.org, comicbookrealm.com, collectorz.com, etc. iv. Independent retail sites: ebay.com, mycomicshop.com, milehighcomics.com, etc. v. Publications not from the same publisher: Previews, Comic Shop News, etc. vi. Any site with a legal notice or terms of use that restricts usage or claims ownership of the text: Most, but not all of the above unacceptable sources have this notice. The examples given of acceptable and unacceptable sources are not meant to be all inclusive, but are meant to illustrate what sort of sites are acceptable and unacceptable sources. Even if the text being quoted most likely came directly from the publisher, if the site it is being quoted from is unacceptable, the text may not be used. An alternative, acceptable source must be located in order to use the text. If there is question/concern over whether a particular source is acceptable for quoting, it must be brought up for discussion before it can be used. Add Missing Trading Cards Title 1) Look first! Use the website to research, and make sure that the Title does not already exist or listed under an incorrect format (e.g. Marvel Universe: Series 1 title listed under Marvel Series 1). a) As an example, if the Cover Title that you want to add is "Marvel Universe: Series 1," you would search the database for "Marvel Universe. Avoid using the entire title as the fewer keywords will improve search results. This is important for preventing duplicate titles and ensuring the accuracy of the existing data. b) "Add Missing Title" Change Requests are only for adding Titles that do not exist in our database. If you find a Title with inaccurate data in the database, please submit an “Edit Title” Change Request. 2) Titles should be entered using the following format: a) Titles should match the wording on the actual package or manufacturers site most of the time and as much as possible. There are times when we can't use this information perfectly, but we try to pattern after it. b) Titles may not begin with an article (a, an, the). Even if the official title according to the package begins with an article, the article should be dropped. Example: "The Dark Knight Returns" should be entered as "Dark Knight Returns" (see… not always by the indicia, but as much as possible). c) Capitalize the first and the last word of a title and any internal words except: i) prepositions of less than five letters (to, from, with, of, in) ii) articles (a, an, the) iii) coordinating conjunctions (for, and, nor, but, or, yet, so) iv) the "to" in the infinitive verbal form ("I'm Going to Lose My Mind" rather than "I'm Going To Lose My Mind") Example: "Batman and Robin: The Official Adaptation of the Warner Bros. Motion Picture" 3) When adding a title, please put the Series denotation in colon, with subset info in paranthesis. Ex: Marvel Universe: Series 1 (Base Set) Ex: Smallville: Season Two (Pieceworks) Some other examples of parenthesized information include: Holograms, Autographs, etc... and other denotations that separate one set or subset from another. Ex: Valiant Era: Series 1 (Unseen Art Subset) Ex: Valiant Era: Series 1 (First Appearance Subset) Ex: Valiant Era: Series 1 (Base Set) Ex: Superman (Reprint Base Set) - For any set that is a reprint of an existing Base Set, include the work Reprint in front of Base Set. 4) Do not use spaces before colons. 5) Do not use a period after vs or Vol 6) Sub Sets - A Sub Sets should always be listed under their own title. Usually because they have their own issue numbers associated with the set. [i]*NOTE: For subsets, if cards have a specific RATIO per packs, please include this information in HARD BRACKETS, in the cover title description field beside the paranthetical like in a comic book submission. Whether talking of one card, or 20, please do this. Ex: Fleer 1994 (10 Cards) [1:18 packs] [/i] Note: When adding a title, please note the difference between a base set and a subset. Base set is the CORE set of figures, usually the largest set. Caption Field - Works the same way as comics. Acceptable examples would be: a) Impel 1990 (162 Cards) b) Upper Deck 1991 (150 Cards) Note: The term "Cards" should be used for Trading Card Titles - unless it is a Title containing various size format cards. Please use "Items" when various size format cards are included in a single Title - this will most often be in Promo Titles. Add Missing Item 1) Look first! Use the website to research, and make sure that the issue does not already exist. a) "Add Item" Change Requests are only for adding an item to a title that is not currently there (i.e. – a new item release for that title). If you want to make a change to an existing figure, please submit an “Edit Item” Change Request. b) If you are adding a missing variant, error or a promo, be sure to select the check box under the Add Missing Item radio button. That way, top level information will be filled in for you, and this makes adding them much easier. 2) Due to the amount of research time involved and the volume of submissions being generated and reviewed daily, we do not approve any “Add Item” or “Add Variant” submissions without the cover image included. Add item requests submitted without a cover scan will be rejected, unless the cover is adult-oriented (See section "c" below). a) The image must be an exact, but packaged representation of the card - preferably of the [b]FRONT ONLY [/b]in [b]VERTICAL FORMAT[/b]. The preferred method is vertical for all to help them look as uniform as possible and to mimick the look of a 9-pocket page in the image view of the cards. If you can't FIND a vertical format, use the horizontal, but vertical is preferred. b) We cannot accept a cover image that is watermarked, however, the generic camera icon watermark is accceptable as a temporary one. c) There is an exception to this rule when a title contains adult/sexual content, nudity or adult language. We will not accept cover scans with this content, nor will we accept censored scans with "black boxes or bars". Instead, please use the special CCL created adult cover title stock image. *Please Note: Your personal scans will default over stocked images. 3) "Issue numbers" on cards work the same as a comic if they are numbered: a place for everything. 4) Cover dates should default to 1/1/xxxx, with year being the cards were made. 5) Cover price should be entered as 0.00 unless the item has a specified manufacturer's price printed. 6) Caption: Please briefly state what the item is in this space. You may put the character/s that is replicated and/or the specialty item included. a) Luke Skywalker b) Spider-Man (Black Costume) c) Catwoman d) "I'm always around..." e) Marion Ravenwood f) Superboy g) Checklist 7) Printing Field: In a series that includes multiple waves; please use the printing field to denote the series. In all other instances, this field should default to 1. (Example: if you are putting in Marvel Universe: Series 4...the printing field would be '4'. 8) Item Bio: The Item Bio can be anything that describes the content of the card..preferably the data on the back of the card. Acceptable examples would be: a) *The Teen Titans Koriand'r was a princess from the planet Tamaran as a child...but she had an older sister, Kornand'r, who was passed over for a royal position because of her sickliness. Now a powerful alien warrior, Kornand'r has returned as Blackfire to threaten the Titans! *Source DC Comics Website b) *In the time between Han Solo's capture by the Empire and his delivery to Jabba the Hutt, a secret struggle for power took place within the shadows of the Empire. A clash between power hungry crimelord Prince Xizor and the dreaded Darth Vader meant certain death for Luke Skywalker. As the Rebel Alliance's only hope, a band of heroes l;ed by Princess Leia, Chewbacca, Lando Calrissian, and Dash Rendar set out to rescue Solo while protecting the young Jedi from a horde of bounty hunters and assassins. Xizor is the head of Black Sun, an intergalactic criminal empire that supports literally millions of outlaw organizations and activities. Since entering the service of the Emperor, the Dark Prince is widely considered one of the powerful individuals in the galaxy. He controls his operations with cold, deadly accuracy assuring that those who dare challenge Xizor meet with swift death, often by his own hand. His hunger for power has put him at direct odds with Lord Vader, But Xizor is afraid of no one; his hunger for power has driven him to dispatch an onslaught of assassins with orders to eliminate Luke Skywalker. Xizor plots to spoil Darth Vader's promise to deliver Skywalker to the Emperor alive -- a maneuver that would undermine Vader's reliability and secure Xizor as the Emperor's most favored ally. Darth Vader, Dark Lord of the Sith, has instilled terror throughout the galaxy since the beginning of the Empire. His devotion to the Emperor and mastery of the dark side gives him more power than any single individual in the galaxy except for the Emperor himself. Draped completely in black and wielding the ability to take a life with a mere gesture, Darth Vader stands as the incarnation of evil. His dislike of Prince Xizor is intense and his distrust well-founded. Though Vader would gladly eliminate Xizor, Emperor Palpatine has need of Black Sun's shipping operations to speed construction of the new Death Star. Xizor had best watch his back however, as Vader's control of the dark side of the Force makes him a most formidable foe. *Source: Rebelscum.com d) Available at WW Los Angeles in 2007. e) Piece of actor Tom Welling's shirt from Season 1 of Smallville. 9) Image File: The image must be an exact single card front view. * Note: Please try to make all images as uniform as possible. 10) In an attempt to keep the database as clean and neat as possible, we ask that you group certain items together under a title. [b]Promo Cards [/b] 1) Promo Cards will be added in as their own cover title just like a subset. Ex: Marvel Universe: Series 1 (Promos) *NOTE: If a set of promo cards came PRE-CUT similar with 4 cards in them, do not CUT them and add them separate UNLESS they were distruibuted separately. These are also NOT considered UNCUT SHEETS. 2) Manufacturing errors are NOT considered variants. [b]Collector's Binders[/b] 1) Binders will be added to the CCL db, but be included in the generic cover title as ISSUE #3. [b]Uncut Sheets[/b] 1) Uncut Sheets are to be put in their own cover title in the same manner as the Binders, promos and subsets. Ex: Valiant Era: Series 1 (Uncut sheet) Note: Uncut promo cards are NOT considered UNCUT SHEETS. Uncut sheets represent the SET AS A WHOLE. [b]Dealer Sell Sheets[/b] Dealer sell sheets are [i]ad slicks [/i]given to shops in order to sell product. In some cases, these are sought after by collectors. Please add these items as [b]#7[/b] in the generic cover title with sealed packs, boxes and binders... [b]Factory Sets, Sealed Boxes, Mail-Away Checkllists, and Sealed Packs [/b] 1) These will all be listed under one cover title, currently with NO paranthetical.... Ex: Marvel Universe: Series 1* The place for issue #1 will ALWAYS BE the SEALED BOX. The place for issue #2 will ALWAYS BE the SEALED PACK. The place for issue #3 will ALWAYS BE the BINDER. The place for issue #4 will ALWAYS be the FACTORY SET. The place for issue #5 will ALWAYS be the MAIL-AWAY CHECKLIST (if applicable) The place for issue #6 will ALWAYS be COLLECTOR TINS (generally this is for tins that are not sets). The place for issue #7 will ALWAYS be the advertising sell sheet or advertising pack inserts (may be a single card size item or a fold out sheet). *[i]The cover title description will be numbered in conjunction with what is verifiable. For example, if a set of cards by Topps from 1997 only has 3 of the 5 things listed above, then the title description should state: Topps 1997 (3 Items) In some cases, the cover title might need to be edited. But in reality, unless there's a special circumstance, the generic cover title for card sets shouldn't go over (5 Items). [/i] [b][i]GIMMICK/"Chase" CARDS[/i][/b] CCL defines "Gimmick Cards" as cards with something extra that makes them more collectible. Typically these cards are distributed less than 1 per pack and have a per pack ratio. Some examples are: Ex: Holofoil Cards Ex: Embossed Cards Ex: Film Cel Cards Ex: Gold or Silver Bordered Cards Most Chase or Insert cards will receive their own cover title as a SUBSET separate from the Base Set. List each card in the database as close to representative of the number on the back in an add issue. Example: A Hologram numbered "M-3" should go in as issue #3 of the Subset Cover Title and "M-3" should be entered in the Non-number field. "Parallel" cards are cards where the card image remains the same, but something has been added to the card. There could be multiple levels of Foil Chase cards - Silver, Bronze, Gold for example - or Foil Stamped Base Set cards. 1) If the "Parallel" cards are based on the Base Set, create a new Title for the Parallel card set. Please be sure to include what makes it a Parallel in the parenthetical information in the title. Example: Star Wars: The Clone Wars Widevision (Silver Foil Stamped Parallel Base Set) 2) If the "Parallel" cards are based on a chase or insert set, add the Parallel cards as variants of the original chase or insert set. Include the applicable ratio information in the Caption field in hard brackets []. Example: Title: Indiana Jones Masterpieces (Foil Subset) Caption: Topps 2008 (9 Cards) [Silver 1:4 Packs, Bronze Parallel 1:24 Packs, Gold Parallel #'d to 99 1:167 Packs, Refractor Parallel #'d to 1 1:15,829 Packs] [b][i]Unredeemed Mail-in Redemption Cards[/i][/b] Unredeemed Mail-in Redemption cards should be listed as the variant of the card it is to be redeemed for. In the event it is a redemption card for a random card, it should be listed as as card number 0 with a non-number of "nn" in the subset for the actual redeemed cards. [b][i]CASE TOPPERS[/i][/b] Case Toppers will ALWAYS be their own cover title. Ex: Smallville: Series 1 (Case Topper) Credits You can link artists to a trading card if you see a visible signature built into the image of the card. Characters You can also link characters from that particular series to an item. When searching for a character, please use the character's full name. ADDING COMMENTS WITH THE SUBMISSION OF A CHARACTER IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT - this cuts down on unnecessary research. You can also add any missing characters. Characters can only have one name. We list Spider-Man as a single character. Refrain from using parenthetical information on a character. Only fictional organizations will be accepted into the database as characters (i.e. S.H.I.E.L.D., Hydra, etc.) Real world organizations will not be accepted (i.e. Interpol, NYPD, FDNY, etc.) Only include a character's title when it's actually integral to the character's name or persona (i.e. Doctor Fate). Be sure to spell out the title (i.e. Doctor, Mister, Sergeant, etc.) if it applies. Do not include a character's title when it's a title applied to a character with an existing name (i.e. Doctor Bruce Banner). Please use Jr. , Sr., and Mrs. - with the period as that is the proper form of the abbreviation. Please do NOT list characters that are not included in that specific series. The character must be part of the actual set. Please add characters listed on the FRONT of the card only, however, if your card is a 1-of-9 puzzle card that makes one large image of a particluar character, you may include that character in the table. We only allow one unique character name in the character list with NO parenthetical info. Otherwise character reference could get way out of hand. Story Arc You can associate a story arc with an item. When searching for story arcs, be sure to type in a relevant word to find it. For example, when searching for "Deadly Foes of Peter Parker" you could simply type in "Deadly" for a search criteria and you would be able to pick from a list of story arc's with the word Deadly in them. The mentioned story arc should be there. You can also add a missing story arc. A story arc is any story title that spans across 2 or more issues, and in this case, that the card is based off of. Be sure to spell correctly, and add a comment when submitting new story arcs. Sexual Content and Adult-Oriented Material 1) Items that contain sexually-explicit or adult language will not be accepted. 2) Once a title is added, if the item's image contains either adult/sexual content, nudity or adult language that would normally need to be edited out with "black boxes or bars", the image will NOT be accepted. The submitter may add the scans into their personal version of the software. You CAN submit an add figures using the CCL made adult stock scan. 3) Characters who have names or nicknames that contain adult language will not be accepted when adding characters to the item. QUICK TIPS FOR NEW SUBMITTERS 6) We CURRENTLY do NOT accept SPORT CARDS or GAMING CARDS in the TRADING CARD SECTION. Non-sport, non-gaming only, please. 5) Double check the database before adding new information to it. 4) Do not submit scans with watermarks. Vertical format please. 3) Please note the differences between "Sets" and "Subsets". 2) No adult-material scans will be accepted. 1) Variants can be tricky. Promos are their own cover title. Thanks - and post suggestions for addition/changes in this forum!

Trading Cards Guidelines

Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:01:05 GMT

Awesome! Another reason for my wife to hate CCL. :-d

Trading Cards Guidelines

Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:27:37 GMT

oh man I've been waiting and dreading this for a while,it means to add them I gotta get them all out man I've got the whole underside of our bed filled with card boxes I've got them stacked 3 high and that don't even include all the ones I got in folders and what all. What size do we put the cards in as? Oh and does this include cards like disney cards and such?

Trading Cards Guidelines

Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:28:48 GMT

this place needs a chat forum where you can chat real-time to find out stuff like this or at least discuss it

Trading Cards Guidelines

Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:40:22 GMT

one other thing it should be changed in software to read comic cards or non-sports trading cards cause just plain trading cards alone would include sports also

Trading Cards Guidelines

Fri, 07 Nov 2008 00:36:13 GMT

Two questions: 1) If a certain card series also had a custom binder made to contain it (ie the Vertigo and Sandman card series') can we add the Binder as say the last card in the series but then change the Issue Number to the word Binder? 2) Can we also Add an entry within a certain series for an Unopened pack and also change the Issue # to a text entry stating this?

Trading Cards Guidelines

Fri, 07 Nov 2008 00:56:34 GMT

[quote=Batman007]Two questions: 1) If a certain card series also had a custom binder made to contain it (ie the Vertigo and Sandman card series') can we add the Binder as say the last card in the series but then change the Issue Number to the word Binder? 2) Can we also Add an entry within a certain series for an Unopened pack and also change the Issue # to a text entry stating this?[/quote] Both good ideas. And good time to raise the issue. Will make for more consistancy. Also, how to handle an unopened box and/or a case. One more thought...where do items like Heroclix fit? In future collectible games category?

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 00:58:28 GMT

I just came back to add to my question about boxes but nutz is on the case. From what we've been told, Heroclix is in the works but it's going to be it's own Category. At least that's what I gather.

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:37:15 GMT

I think the guideline need to address Sketch cards. I'm thinking of the recent sets, that include a one of a kind artist sketch. I think because of the one of a kind nature, these shouldn't be cataloged. Thoughts?

Trading Cards Guidelines

Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:45:49 GMT

Then how would you sell them? If one exists it's a one of a kind sketch card and it belongs in the Database. Sure only a few might ever make it in here, but if you're lucky enough to get one and you want to sell it, why wouldn't you list it?

Trading Cards Guidelines

Fri, 07 Nov 2008 03:39:12 GMT

The sketches do have problems, like no numbers and sometimes hard to identify artist/subject. I think the pro for putting them in is they would be in. The con being that we could never get them all in, and they are begging for inconsistency and lots of edits. I'm not against them being in, BTW. Although I just sold off most of the ones I owned.

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 06:33:31 GMT

Formatting question: How do we want horizontal cards in the database? These are small enough that the image may not be too small or distorted if we put them in horizontally. If not, do we make sure they all face the same direction?

Trading Cards Guidelines

Fri, 07 Nov 2008 07:56:10 GMT

WHAT??!?! I didn't even know this was coming... AWESOME!!! I have a small collection of Marvel trading cards I can enter. SWEET!!! (including a complete [b]Skybox - Marvel Universe Series 4[/b] set.) I think this might break my scanner, lol.

Trading Cards Guidelines

Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:11:27 GMT

For cards bagged with comics that aren't promos (like the Star Wars Galaxy) cards, but just actual cards (like Marvel Annuals 1993, X-Force #1, Darker Image), what's the best format for adding these? Also, I think we should throw in some bracketed info on sets like these.

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:17:19 GMT

[quote=The_Valiant_One]Promo Cards 1) Promo Cards are VARIANTS of the original card they promote, however the appropriate card number needs to be added in CR 2.0 BETA in an edit issue.[/quote] Is this the best way to do Promo Cards? I've got tons of promo cards (from Diamond, Wizard and others) but none of the base set. How would I know which card it's a variant of? These are (usually) uniquely and individually numbered cards and sometimes there's more than one and therefore numbered sequentially. Shouldn't they get their own title listing?

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:32:05 GMT

[quote=SwiftMann][quote=The_Valiant_One]Promo Cards 1) Promo Cards are VARIANTS of the original card they promote, however the appropriate card number needs to be added in CR 2.0 BETA in an edit issue.[/quote] Is this the best way to do Promo Cards? I've got tons of promo cards (from Diamond, Wizard and others) but none of the base set. How would I know which card it's a variant of? These are (usually) uniquely and individually numbered cards and sometimes there's more than one and therefore numbered sequentially. Shouldn't they get their own title listing?[/quote] In the case of the Wizard cards I believe they should get their own title listing.

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:45:56 GMT

And one more question after going through Philli and Barney's (great work guys!) submissions... Is there a need/desire to put the intra-series subset names in the description? The Marvel Universe cards always had Super Heroes, Super Villains, Famous Fights, Rookies, etc... I don't think it's necessary, but we should try to be consistant from the get go. Also, I think the cover description should be what's on the front of the card. Nothing more. Thoughts?

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:26:33 GMT

[quote=Sirs]one other thing it should be changed in software to read comic cards or non-sports trading cards cause just plain trading cards alone would include sports also[/quote] Joe will need some arm twisting on this one. I tried! For now, the guidelines for cards will have to reflect that we include only non-sport for now.

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:30:43 GMT

[quote=Batman007]Two questions: 1) If a certain card series also had a custom binder made to contain it (ie the Vertigo and Sandman card series') can we add the Binder as say the last card in the series but then change the Issue Number to the word Binder? 2) Can we also Add an entry within a certain series for an Unopened pack and also change the Issue # to a text entry stating this?[/quote] Good questions... 1) Personally, I don't see why binders can't be added into the db as their own cover title using the same format as the subsets. Ex: Marvel Universe: Series 1 (Collector's Binder) Ex: Smallville: Season 2 (Collector's Binder) 2) Let me defer to Joe on this one and I'll get back to you.

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:33:22 GMT

[quote=SwiftMann][quote=The_Valiant_One]Promo Cards 1) Promo Cards are VARIANTS of the original card they promote, however the appropriate card number needs to be added in CR 2.0 BETA in an edit issue.[/quote] Is this the best way to do Promo Cards? I've got tons of promo cards (from Diamond, Wizard and others) but none of the base set. How would I know which card it's a variant of? These are (usually) uniquely and individually numbered cards and sometimes there's more than one and therefore numbered sequentially. Shouldn't they get their own title listing?[/quote] Things like Wizard cards would absolutely have their own cover title. I was using Marvel Universe Series 1 as the example on the promo cards, but they are a tad outdated. Perhaps a seperate cover title for promos would work better. Updating guidelines to reflect that...

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 09:41:38 GMT

GUIDELINES UPDATED Added uncut sheet additions, binders and reexamined the promo card situation. Will look into the unopened packs and boxed today. Thanks guys! Hope this looks ok so far....and good job Barney and Philli! Keep it up!

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:01:14 GMT

I'm glad you have considered sealed items like packs and boxes. Also, factory sets should be included as variants in some cases. My suggestion are for those that have extra cards in the factory set. An example of this is the Terminator 2 set from Impel. The factory set came with a hologram. Or maybe we should list a factory set separate altogether. Also, since this is new, and I don't think I saw the question answered, how are sets to be listed and sold? I know you're not going to have to list each individual card and then put it as a lot. I submitted the Jeff Smith Bone S1 set because I just happen to have it sitting here next to me on my desk. I'd like to get it up for sale. I submitted one set at the moment, but have tons more. Many people on here seem to own tons of loose cards. I wouldn't have the time nor inclination to scan every loose card I own. Phil

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:33:13 GMT

true factory sets should have a place of their own

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:55:08 GMT

[quote=comicnutz][quote=Batman007]Two questions: 1) If a certain card series also had a custom binder made to contain it (ie the Vertigo and Sandman card series') can we add the Binder as say the last card in the series but then change the Issue Number to the word Binder? 2) Can we also Add an entry within a certain series for an Unopened pack and also change the Issue # to a text entry stating this?[/quote] Both good ideas. And good time to raise the issue. Will make for more consistancy. Also, how to handle an unopened box and/or a case. One more thought...where do items like Heroclix fit? In future collectible games category?[/quote] Yes, Heroclix will be incorporated into the upcoming Miniatures category.

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:56:13 GMT

[quote=GPDCOMICS]I'm glad you have considered sealed items like packs and boxes. Also, factory sets should be included as variants in some cases. My suggestion are for those that have extra cards in the factory set. An example of this is the Terminator 2 set from Impel. The factory set came with a hologram. Or maybe we should list a factory set separate altogether. Also, since this is new, and I don't think I saw the question answered, how are sets to be listed and sold? I know you're not going to have to list each individual card and then put it as a lot. I submitted the Jeff Smith Bone S1 set because I just happen to have it sitting here next to me on my desk. I'd like to get it up for sale. I submitted one set at the moment, but have tons more. Many people on here seem to own tons of loose cards. I wouldn't have the time nor inclination to scan every loose card I own. Phil[/quote] NON-factory sets will be added by clicking on every individual card, and then selling it as a lot. Factory Sets will be their own cover title.

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:56:02 GMT

I had a thought on the whold packs, boxes, cases and selfmade sets. Why not have an extra title for these items. title = Marvel Universe: Misc. #1 = pack #2 = unopened box #3 = factory set #4 = completed set and so on as needed.

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:13:38 GMT

Any way of bulk loading a set of cards as individual CR's? Say import the data from a csv or tab delimited file? Bad enough I need to sit here and scan all of my star Wars sets (yikes!), but then to create individual CR's will take forever! BTW - I'm interested in the question someone posed about horizontal format cards (like the multiple Star Wars Widevision sets). They'll look better in a vertical format, but they'll be slightly harder to read. What would be the preferred image position?

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:16:15 GMT

[quote=The_Valiant_One][quote=comicnutz][quote=Batman007]Two questions: 1) If a certain card series also had a custom binder made to contain it (ie the Vertigo and Sandman card series') can we add the Binder as say the last card in the series but then change the Issue Number to the word Binder? 2) Can we also Add an entry within a certain series for an Unopened pack and also change the Issue # to a text entry stating this?[/quote] Both good ideas. And good time to raise the issue. Will make for more consistancy. Also, how to handle an unopened box and/or a case. One more thought...where do items like Heroclix fit? In future collectible games category?[/quote] Yes, Heroclix will be incorporated into the upcoming Miniatures category. [/quote] Will Miniatures include sets like Star Wars Pocketmodels/Pirates from WizKids? If so, keep in mind those have cards and build-it-yourself minis so there would have to be a guideline in place to handle them.

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:25:06 GMT

[quote=ntkeith]I think the guideline need to address Sketch cards. I'm thinking of the recent sets, that include a one of a kind artist sketch. I think because of the one of a kind nature, these shouldn't be cataloged. Thoughts?[/quote] The one of a kind cataloging of sketch cards is going probably going to be handled not unlike the original artwork, HOWEVER, we might not include them. We'll see....stay tuned until Monday on that one.

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:29:28 GMT

[quote=Philli]I had a thought on the whold packs, boxes, cases and selfmade sets. Why not have an extra title for these items. title = Marvel Universe: Misc. #1 = pack #2 = unopened box #3 = factory set #4 = completed set and so on as needed. [/quote] I think this is the route they will go, however, we won't be adding one place for a set. We don't do this for full runs of comics, so we won't be doing this for full runs of cards. If someone has the whole set, you select all individual cards in the series. If you want to sell them, do the same thing and make them a lot. And the order will most likely be: 1) - Sealed Box 2) - Sealed Pack 3) - Factory Set So you're on the right track with us, Philli. Keep up the good work, btw.

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:34:11 GMT

[quote=scotteaves]Any way of bulk loading a set of cards as individual CR's? Say import the data from a csv or tab delimited file? Bad enough I need to sit here and scan all of my star Wars sets (yikes!), but then to create individual CR's will take forever! BTW - I'm interested in the question someone posed about horizontal format cards (like the multiple Star Wars Widevision sets). They'll look better in a vertical format, but they'll be slightly harder to read. What would be the preferred image position? [/quote] Good questions... Not that I know of on the bulk loading....research for these are sporatic, because different sites handle different sets. This site will truly be unique in the diversity of encompassing all sets in one nice location. My suggestion on the cards instead of scanning yours might be to capture non-watermarked images and use them instead. For now, I think we want to go with Vertical on the horizontal format cards. Only because it's no different than 9-pocket pages which we've all used for years. THIS MAY CHANGE, but for now, the preferred method is vertical for all - and help them look as uniform as possible. If you can't FIND a vertical format, use the horizontal, but vertical is preferred. Guidelines will be updated to reflect this for now.

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:35:48 GMT

[quote=scotteaves][quote=The_Valiant_One][quote=comicnutz][quote=Batman007]Two questions: 1) If a certain card series also had a custom binder made to contain it (ie the Vertigo and Sandman card series') can we add the Binder as say the last card in the series but then change the Issue Number to the word Binder? 2) Can we also Add an entry within a certain series for an Unopened pack and also change the Issue # to a text entry stating this?[/quote] Both good ideas. And good time to raise the issue. Will make for more consistancy. Also, how to handle an unopened box and/or a case. One more thought...where do items like Heroclix fit? In future collectible games category?[/quote] Yes, Heroclix will be incorporated into the upcoming Miniatures category. [/quote] Will Miniatures include sets like Star Wars Pocketmodels/Pirates from WizKids? If so, keep in mind those have cards and build-it-yourself minis so there would have to be a guideline in place to handle them.[/quote] Yeah...we're going to jump off that bridge in the miniatures category. For now, the trading card section is NON-SPORT, NON-GAMING for this very reason. We WILL be placing them in, but for now, we're going nice and easy.

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:40:39 GMT

Ok, I'm still a little confused. I've never tried a lot upload. And if each individual card is not in the database, we'd have to add all the cards in order to get a hand collated set to sell as a lot? Also, since I haven't tried a lot upload, is the lot considered 1 penny as the lot, or do we pay for each individual card? It's probably written here somewhere in the forums, but I don't have the time nor inclination to search for it. I can't see paying $2.00 to sell a 200 card set. This is going to be a long task for all of us on here. Currently my problem is I don't have a scanner that works. I'm hoping to get one the day after Thanksgiving for a steal at one of these retail store sales. My individual cards are digital photos. Would it be acceptable to upload these in the meantime to get a scan in the database so I can get some up for sale? I have several inserts from some of the Marvel sets. Sorry for all the questions. Phil

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:42:42 GMT

[quote=The_Valiant_One]My suggestion on the cards instead of scanning yours might be to capture non-watermarked images and use them instead. [/quote] Exactly why I will finish Marvel Series 3 and then move on to #2, I have found the whole set online and am able to batch crop them to make it easy.

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:57:32 GMT

[quote=GPDCOMICS]Ok, I'm still a little confused. I've never tried a lot upload. And if each individual card is not in the database, we'd have to add all the cards in order to get a hand collated set to sell as a lot? Also, since I haven't tried a lot upload, is the lot considered 1 penny as the lot, or do we pay for each individual card? It's probably written here somewhere in the forums, but I don't have the time nor inclination to search for it. I can't see paying $2.00 to sell a 200 card set. This is going to be a long task for all of us on here. Currently my problem is I don't have a scanner that works. I'm hoping to get one the day after Thanksgiving for a steal at one of these retail store sales. My individual cards are digital photos. Would it be acceptable to upload these in the meantime to get a scan in the database so I can get some up for sale? I have several inserts from some of the Marvel sets. Sorry for all the questions. Phil[/quote] No problem, my friend - and I'll try to sum it as best I can on these since this is new. First of all, selling as a lot, is NOT a big deal. In the CCL software, you simply select them all. Yes, [i]each individual card needs to be added[/i], in the same way that each individual comic or figure is added. Again, paraphrasing Iron Man..."...and it's worked pretty good so far." As suggested above however, if you don't have a scan of each card, you can try to capture non-watermarked images already on the internet. Lots are set up to be one penny per item. So selling a 90-card set would be .90 cents. No, it's not perfect, but I don't think our system is set up on anything less than a penny. Joe and I can talk this one over on Monday. At the same time, keep in mind that selling a SEALED BOX of an item will offset this cost, since items in the card category are only a penny. So even though it might cost $1.00 to sell a 100-card set, Sealed Boxes, Sealed Packs, Binders, even Factory Sets, are only one penny and stay up until sold. Again, we'll discuss this on Monday, though... You're welcome to submit digital phots of items, but we will ask that someone replace them sooner rather than later. You're right, it will be a long task, but in order to add them in the db, this is the format that's been set up for everything: comics, figures, statues, etc...my suggestion would be to focus on one cover title at a time until complete. Hope that helped - this is what the forum is set up for...good discussion and questions, guys...

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:58:07 GMT

[quote=ntkeith][quote=The_Valiant_One]My suggestion on the cards instead of scanning yours might be to capture non-watermarked images and use them instead. [/quote] Exactly why I will finish Marvel Series 3 and then move on to #2, I have found the whole set online and am able to batch crop them to make it easy.[/quote] Bingo. =d>

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:03:17 GMT

One other option is to list a set as an entry, and put variant A as the handcollated set and variant B as the factory set, or vice versa. At least it's a suggestion. Just for the fact that after 10 months of not selling a set, it would cost more to have it on for sale than if it sold. I think selling individual cards for the cost of a penny is good for the fact that people may need to fill in gaps for their sets. I'll try and work on my inserts in the next few days. I'll upload my digital photo if no one has uploaded a scan by then. I've been working hard on helping out the database these past 2 1/2 weeks that I've been active. I'm pushing 5000 contributor points already. Phil

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:09:41 GMT

[quote=GPDCOMICS]One other option is to list a set as an entry, and put variant A as the handcollated set and variant B as the factory set, or vice versa. At least it's a suggestion. Just for the fact that after 10 months of not selling a set, it would cost more to have it on for sale than if it sold. I think selling individual cards for the cost of a penny is good for the fact that people may need to fill in gaps for their sets. I'll try and work on my inserts in the next few days. I'll upload my digital photo if no one has uploaded a scan by then. I've been working hard on helping out the database these past 2 1/2 weeks that I've been active. I'm pushing 5000 contributor points already. Phil[/quote] I'm totally open to the idea of a hand-built set as a variant - have to run this one by Joe. And good work on those submissions - trust me, adding these cards are an EASY way to gain contributor points as well. Trust me, I've tried to think this thing out pretty well, but there's going to be something I overlook, trust me...hence the need for the forum. Everything starts with the individual card, and goes outward from there.

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:29:01 GMT

[quote=The_Valiant_One][quote=Sirs]one other thing it should be changed in software to read comic cards or non-sports trading cards cause just plain trading cards alone would include sports also[/quote] Joe will need some arm twisting on this one. I tried! For now, the guidelines for cards will have to reflect that we include only non-sport for now. [/quote] I'd side with Joe on this one. It's understood, especially in the guidelines, that's they're only comic related cards, no real need to reflect that in the catergory name in the software. CCL only accepts comic related magazines, but the catergory doesn't say "Comic Magazine", just "Magazines".

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:42:37 GMT

I have a question that may sound dumb, but there is some reasoning behind it and I'll explain. What is deemed "comic related"? Is it defined something like "as long as there is a comic with that same title/character" then it can be added to the cards? I know it seems obvious, but there are some blurry lines. For one example: There are a bunch of Rock Star statues in the DB like Ozzy Osborne, Jimi Hendrix, etc... When they were being submitted (a WHILE ago) I though they were non-comic related and didn't belong, but they were accepted. Then a week later I saw some comics featuring those same rock stars that were being submitted, so I figured that's what made them related. So it that the basis? As long as it can be tied to a comic, it is "comic related"?

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:58:03 GMT

[quote=vacantpassenger]I have a question that may sound dumb, but there is some reasoning behind it and I'll explain. What is deemed "comic related"? Is it defined something like "as long as there is a comic with that same title/character" then it can be added to the cards? I know it seems obvious, but there are some blurry lines. For one example: There are a bunch of Rock Star statues in the DB like Ozzy Osborne, Jimi Hendrix, etc... When they were being submitted (a WHILE ago) I though they were non-comic related and didn't belong, but they were accepted. Then a week later I saw some comics featuring those same rock stars that were being submitted, so I figured that's what made them related. So it that the basis? As long as it can be tied to a comic, it is "comic related"?[/quote]For me I would go with Non-Sport, which can include comic cards, movie & TV cards etc.

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:08:09 GMT

[quote=comicscastle][quote=vacantpassenger]I have a question that may sound dumb, but there is some reasoning behind it and I'll explain. What is deemed "comic related"? Is it defined something like "as long as there is a comic with that same title/character" then it can be added to the cards? I know it seems obvious, but there are some blurry lines. For one example: There are a bunch of Rock Star statues in the DB like Ozzy Osborne, Jimi Hendrix, etc... When they were being submitted (a WHILE ago) I though they were non-comic related and didn't belong, but they were accepted. Then a week later I saw some comics featuring those same rock stars that were being submitted, so I figured that's what made them related. So it that the basis? As long as it can be tied to a comic, it is "comic related"?[/quote]For me I would go with Non-Sport, which can include comic cards, movie & TV cards etc.[/quote] As I posted in a question elsewhere - what about all the McFarlane Sports Picks figures? And the answer was - add them. I can figure a few possible reasons: 1)They're McFarlane which is just an extension of his comic stuff and 2) They're sold in my local comic shop. So, in my opinion (and I know this will take some heat) anything sold in my local comic shops should be allowed in a comic database. Hell, I'm trying to get my usual place to join CCL and open up shop - they'd need the ability to add or utilize the data for these type items.

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:17:22 GMT

[quote=vacantpassenger]I have a question that may sound dumb, but there is some reasoning behind it and I'll explain. What is deemed "comic related"? Is it defined something like "as long as there is a comic with that same title/character" then it can be added to the cards? I know it seems obvious, but there are some blurry lines. For one example: There are a bunch of Rock Star statues in the DB like Ozzy Osborne, Jimi Hendrix, etc... When they were being submitted (a WHILE ago) I though they were non-comic related and didn't belong, but they were accepted. Then a week later I saw some comics featuring those same rock stars that were being submitted, so I figured that's what made them related. So it that the basis? As long as it can be tied to a comic, it is "comic related"?[/quote] I think the key word is [color=blue]non-sports[/color] apparently as cards go it is non-sports from my understanding. I think it was also the same with figures thats why rock star statues were entered, I could be wrong but thats my thinking.

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:17:49 GMT

[quote=The_Valiant_One]My suggestion on the cards instead of scanning yours might be to capture non-watermarked images and use them instead. [/quote] It's going to take as long to search for a quality set of images, download them all, and crop/cleanup as it will to scan a bunch of 9 up pages. I'll try the searching but based on my luck so far - nothing worth while. Add me in support of GPD's idea of somehow adding a hand collated set as a single item. Sketch cards - while they are technically one of a kind, some of the recent Star Wars sets have the same image done multiple times by a single artist. So are they actually "one" of a kind or multiples of a kind? I think sketch/autograph cards should be allowed in some form - there are buyers for them and there are people who want to sell them!

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:20:24 GMT

[quote=vacantpassenger]I have a question that may sound dumb, but there is some reasoning behind it and I'll explain. What is deemed "comic related"? Is it defined something like "as long as there is a comic with that same title/character" then it can be added to the cards? I know it seems obvious, but there are some blurry lines. For one example: There are a bunch of Rock Star statues in the DB like Ozzy Osborne, Jimi Hendrix, etc... When they were being submitted (a WHILE ago) I though they were non-comic related and didn't belong, but they were accepted. Then a week later I saw some comics featuring those same rock stars that were being submitted, so I figured that's what made them related. So it that the basis? As long as it can be tied to a comic, it is "comic related"?[/quote] [quote=comicscastle]For me I would go with Non-Sport, which can include comic cards, movie & TV cards etc.[/quote] [quote=Sirs]I think the key word is [color=blue]non-sports[/color]apparently as cards go it is non-sports from my understanding. I think it was also the same with figures thats why rock star statues were entered, I could be wrong but thats my thinking.[/quote] Yeah, think I missed that :P. Thanks!

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:26:37 GMT

thats true scott I've looked and you can find cards but most are really small or watermarked out the ears. are far as a whole set goes I tihnk whole sets should be listed as that a whole set not just the individuals cause you can buy whole sets hand done as such.

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:28:00 GMT

God... Need to add 226 cards, scanning 9 at a time (more if I can) and then once they're all done, nedd to write BIOs for them all, most likely citing them from the back of the cards. This is going to be a very large female-dog....

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:29:56 GMT

[quote=Sirs]thats true scott I've looked and you can find cards but most are really small or watermarked out the ears. are far as a whole set goes I tihnk whole sets should be listed as that a whole set not just the individuals cause you can buy whole sets hand done as such.[/quote] I think this can get out of hand. Sellers can sell them in LOTS like they do fro comics, listing what cards are contained. Don't really see a need for adding a whole set as a seperate title, it would be like adding a whole set of Amazing Spider-Man seperately so that a seller could sell them all, as opposed to them just using the lot feature.

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:31:39 GMT

[quote=vacantpassenger] Yeah, think I missed that :P. Thanks![/quote] no problem

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:33:42 GMT

[quote=vacantpassenger][quote=Sirs]thats true scott I've looked and you can find cards but most are really small or watermarked out the ears. are far as a whole set goes I tihnk whole sets should be listed as that a whole set not just the individuals cause you can buy whole sets hand done as such.[/quote] I think this can get out of hand. Sellers can sell them in LOTS like they do fro comics, listing what cards are contained. Don't really see a need for adding a whole set as a seperate title, it would be like adding a whole set of Amazing Spider-Man seperately so that a seller could sell them all, as opposed to them just using the lot feature.[/quote] only thing is whole runs of comics aren't that common like a set of cards,thats why you need to do them as a hand colated set also

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:40:02 GMT

I mean how often do you see a complete run of comics where as a whole set of cards is normally how alot are sold your doubles are whats sold in singles. In that way cards are different than comics

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:40:10 GMT

[quote=Sirs][quote=vacantpassenger][quote=Sirs]thats true scott I've looked and you can find cards but most are really small or watermarked out the ears. are far as a whole set goes I tihnk whole sets should be listed as that a whole set not just the individuals cause you can buy whole sets hand done as such.[/quote] I think this can get out of hand. Sellers can sell them in LOTS like they do fro comics, listing what cards are contained. Don't really see a need for adding a whole set as a seperate title, it would be like adding a whole set of Amazing Spider-Man seperately so that a seller could sell them all, as opposed to them just using the lot feature.[/quote] only thing is whole runs of comics aren't that common like a set of cards,thats why you need to do them as a hand colated set also[/quote] Sure they are, just not when you're thinking about titles with 8,368,736 issues in them like Detective or something like that. Look at how many mini series there are, those are very common to have sold in a complete sets. Imagine having to relist all of those as a whole set just so sellers could list it, waste of space and best use for the "lot" feature IMO.

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:43:49 GMT

Gotta disagree with you on this as cards are different lots of cards are normally your doubles sold as a lot.

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Fri, 07 Nov 2008 22:46:21 GMT

that and sets of cards are normally not that high in price unless it is a set of chase cards which normally is why you buy packs and boxes to get all the chase cards if you want a base set and thats all you just buy a set.

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Sat, 08 Nov 2008 00:05:24 GMT

[quote=vacantpassenger]God... Need to add 226 cards, scanning 9 at a time (more if I can) and then once they're all done, nedd to write BIOs for them all, most likely citing them from the back of the cards. This is going to be a very large female-dog....[/quote] I'm on Sandman Card #4. Will be cool, however, since no visual record of this and the Vertigo set exists online. Please nobody jump in and make Submissions on these two sets. I've done a lot of work scanning and cropping and typing bios and CCL wants these uniform.

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Sat, 08 Nov 2008 01:45:04 GMT

I wanna see the person here that is willing to tread into territory Batman has staked out. I DARE YA, I DOUBLE DARE YA!!! I wouldn't do it, his army of well trained ninjas can get you anywhere in the world.

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Sat, 08 Nov 2008 01:48:00 GMT

I agree with Batman. We should have some kind of uniform submission going. If someone is willing and has taken on the task of inputing a set, then let that person monopolize it and do the whole thing if they say they are. Bats is doing a great job with the Sandman cards. I own both of these sets with almost all inserts including the rare skydisc if I recall, in my binders. Putting a description is great, and I did so with the Masterpiece Spectra Battle inserts. I only have 2 left for sale, but I wrote the entire description on those two. As for selling cards in sets vs comics. An average card value is probably 5-10 cents. An average comic value is probably $2. There is a difference between listing 100 cards in a set and 100 comics, mainly a couple of hundred dollars in retail value. You can't expect someone to sell a 100 card set paying $1.00 per month plus the 5% sale fee. In 10 months, you've paid $10.00 to sell your $10.00 set, which makes no sense. Personally if the hand collated set is not allowed to be offered as a single item and the factory set is, then I would list my hand collated set under the factory set and show it as hand collated and state it as so. I've seen loose action figures selling this way under carded listings. So it would make sense to me. Plus not all titles have a factory set. Many 1980s and earlier could only be made by hand. But I'll let CCL make the final decision. But we're the ones who make the site. Our input does count for something. Non-Sports cards are important. I don't think we'll venture too far out of the comic field. At least not at first. Most dealers have comic related cards for the most part, or fantasy art. So they're most likely to stick with what can sell. On a separate note. I have a Jim Lee X-men 45 card set from 1990. I don't see it on Allender's list, nor did I find it on Ebay. Anyone have a clue as to what this is called? It has a puzzle back. I'd like to list it, but won't have a link for proof. Phil

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Sat, 08 Nov 2008 03:02:43 GMT

Thank you both for the kind words. Kind of weird to have to split up the 2 sets over several Cover Titles but if that's what CCL wants then so be it.

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Sat, 08 Nov 2008 06:25:53 GMT

[quote=GPDCOMICS]I agree with Batman. We should have some kind of uniform submission going. If someone is willing and has taken on the task of inputing a set, then let that person monopolize it and do the whole thing if they say they are. Bats is doing a great job with the Sandman cards. I own both of these sets with almost all inserts including the rare skydisc if I recall, in my binders. Putting a description is great, and I did so with the Masterpiece Spectra Battle inserts. I only have 2 left for sale, but I wrote the entire description on those two. As for selling cards in sets vs comics. An average card value is probably 5-10 cents. An average comic value is probably $2. There is a difference between listing 100 cards in a set and 100 comics, mainly a couple of hundred dollars in retail value. [color=blue]You can't expect someone to sell a 100 card set paying $1.00 per month plus the 5% sale fee. [/color]In 10 months, you've paid $10.00 to sell your $10.00 set, which makes no sense. Personally if the hand collated set is not allowed to be offered as a single item and the factory set is, then I would list my hand collated set under the factory set and show it as hand collated and state it as so. I've seen loose action figures selling this way under carded listings. So it would make sense to me. Plus not all titles have a factory set. Many 1980s and earlier could only be made by hand. But I'll let CCL make the final decision. But we're the ones who make the site. Our input does count for something. Non-Sports cards are important. I don't think we'll venture too far out of the comic field. At least not at first. Most dealers have comic related cards for the most part, or fantasy art. So they're most likely to stick with what can sell. On a separate note. I have a Jim Lee X-men 45 card set from 1990. I don't see it on Allender's list, nor did I find it on Ebay. Anyone have a clue as to what this is called? It has a puzzle back. I'd like to list it, but won't have a link for proof. Phil[/quote]Phil, you have this wrong. The $.01 insertion fee is for the life of the listing, not per month. FeeBay is the place that charges on a monthly basis. Having said that I still agree that charging $2.00 to list a 200 card set is a bit extreme. Perhaps CCL could charge $.01 per card and $.05 per pack/set/box.

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Sat, 08 Nov 2008 08:06:38 GMT

[quote=scotteaves][quote=comicscastle][quote=vacantpassenger]I have a question that may sound dumb, but there is some reasoning behind it and I'll explain. What is deemed "comic related"? Is it defined something like "as long as there is a comic with that same title/character" then it can be added to the cards? I know it seems obvious, but there are some blurry lines. For one example: There are a bunch of Rock Star statues in the DB like Ozzy Osborne, Jimi Hendrix, etc... When they were being submitted (a WHILE ago) I though they were non-comic related and didn't belong, but they were accepted. Then a week later I saw some comics featuring those same rock stars that were being submitted, so I figured that's what made them related. So it that the basis? As long as it can be tied to a comic, it is "comic related"?[/quote]For me I would go with Non-Sport, which can include comic cards, movie & TV cards etc.[/quote] As I posted in a question elsewhere - what about all the McFarlane Sports Picks figures? And the answer was - add them. I can figure a few possible reasons: 1)They're McFarlane which is just an extension of his comic stuff and 2) They're sold in my local comic shop. So, in my opinion (and I know this will take some heat) anything sold in my local comic shops should be allowed in a comic database. Hell, I'm trying to get my usual place to join CCL and open up shop - they'd need the ability to add or utilize the data for these type items.[/quote] You're on target scott.... Mcfarlane Sports Picks are a little different. They are action figures and they are put out by Mcfarlane toys. They make Ozzy Ozbourne figures, and Jimi Hendrix, Kiss...all these are acceptable in the action figure categories. This can be discussed in more detail in the upcoming action figure forum/guidelines page. You guys nailed it on the head - NON-SPORT, NON-GAMING....use your own judgement. DC Cosmic Teams? Ok. Upper Deck NFL? Not ok. Garbage Pail Kids? Ok. Pokemon? Not ok. They will have a place at some point in the future....but not now.

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Sat, 08 Nov 2008 08:16:20 GMT

[quote=GPDCOMICS]I agree with Batman. We should have some kind of uniform submission going. If someone is willing and has taken on the task of inputing a set, then let that person monopolize it and do the whole thing if they say they are. Bats is doing a great job with the Sandman cards. I own both of these sets with almost all inserts including the rare skydisc if I recall, in my binders. Putting a description is great, and I did so with the Masterpiece Spectra Battle inserts. I only have 2 left for sale, but I wrote the entire description on those two. As for selling cards in sets vs comics. An average card value is probably 5-10 cents. An average comic value is probably $2. There is a difference between listing 100 cards in a set and 100 comics, mainly a couple of hundred dollars in retail value. [i]You can't expect someone to sell a 100 card set paying $1.00 per month plus the 5% sale fee. In 10 months, you've paid $10.00 to sell your $10.00 set, which makes no sense[/i]. Plus not all titles have a factory set. Many 1980s and earlier could only be made by hand. But I'll let CCL make the final decision. But we're the ones who make the site. Our input does count for something. Phil[/quote] Hey Phil - your insertion fees are a one-time fee. For your 100-card set, you'd only have to pay your $1.00 once until it's sold. This is how ALL items on CCL are handled. If one person wishes to tackle a particular set of cards, post it here and IM me and let me know. Most of the time, there will be little overlapping of submissions, but I'm totally good with that to avoid confusion. I try to do the same thing on action figures, tackling a entire set of toys before moving onto another one (except GIJOEs, which I'm typing out every file card on those. Takes some time... if we don't approve alot of card cover titles right off the bat, it's because we don't want a lot of empty cover titles for cards floating around out there. Pick two of three that you can focus your attention on, IM me and ask me to approve your submission, and go to town! :)

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Sat, 08 Nov 2008 09:26:16 GMT

PM'd ya about Marvel Universe Series 4 - SkyBox 1993. :-d

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Sat, 08 Nov 2008 10:02:28 GMT

See what happens when you're new. I thought you paid a monthly fee per item, not a one time listing fee. I was all worried about having 1000 items on and paying like $25 / month with no sales. This is a good thing then and I just told my friend. He was wary on selling multiples of a title knowing he was going to pay 1 cent each for each month. I don't know why I misunderstood this, but now that I do understand, it makes me feel a lot better and wants me to list even more stuff. I've broken over 400 items in less than 3 weeks. I have tons and tons of stuff to go through. :) Phil

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Sat, 08 Nov 2008 10:11:04 GMT

[quote=GPDCOMICS]See what happens when you're new. I thought you paid a monthly fee per item, not a one time listing fee. I was all worried about having 1000 items on and paying like $25 / month with no sales. This is a good thing then and I just told my friend. He was wary on selling multiples of a title knowing he was going to pay 1 cent each for each month. [b]I don't know why I misunderstood this[/b], but now that I do understand, it makes me feel a lot better and wants me to list even more stuff. I've broken over 400 items in less than 3 weeks. I have tons and tons of stuff to go through. :) Phil[/quote] Probably drawing a subconscious parallel to FeeBay which does charge a monthly LISTING fee for each item. FeeBay THIS IS NOT! CCL is a great place for buyers and sellers alike! (But sellers still have to be patient - lotta buyers, but lotta stores = lotta listings)

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Sat, 08 Nov 2008 10:40:49 GMT

One thing I've noticed is people asking for the images to be rotated 90 degrees, if this is done it would make the card like a wrap comic smaller with less definition. I myself think the way they are basically standing on end is fine you get a full size pic of card and it is very clear what it is whereas turned 90 degrees it would be smaller with alot less definition, could someone else state their preference on this. This is what mine is.

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Sat, 08 Nov 2008 10:52:33 GMT

[quote=Sirs]One thing I've noticed is people asking for the images to be rotated 90 degrees, if this is done it would make the card like a wrap comic smaller with less definition. I myself think the way they are basically standing on end is fine you get a full size pic of card and it is very clear what it is whereas turned 90 degrees it would be smaller with alot less definition, could someone else state their preference on this. This is what mine is.[/quote] Yeah, for now the guidelines stand. Vertical images of all cards are asked for at the moment.

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Sat, 08 Nov 2008 11:01:01 GMT

I haven't chimed in yet and I haven't started adding non-sports yet, I have kind of been sitting back and reading what others have to say first. My wife has been buying, selling, and collecting non-sports cards for over 20 years, so she is the real expert in our house on that hobby. In the non-sports world the term non-sports means any card or set of cards that is not sports related (i.e baseball, football, hockey, etc). They kicked around the term Entertainmaent Cards for a while, but since the non-sports field included stuff like Horrors of War and Red Menace, they decided the best term would be non-sports. When I say they, I mean the people who publish the Non-Sports Update magazine, thier readers and the people who participate in the Card Talk forum (check out nonsportsupdate.com). Most complete sets (sans chase cards) of new non-sports cards usually sell for about $5.00, so paying $1.00 to list a hand collated set may be a little high. Chase cards generally go for somewhere in the $2.00 to $5.00 range, and there are some costume and autographs and skecthes that can bring $100 or more. So, is a penny a card reasonable, I would say yes, if you are selling more than just hand collated sets. If you are thinking about buying or selling non-sports cards on this site, you should be buying Non-Sports Update which is publishe every other month. Your LCS can order it from Diamond, or Pat at ComicsCastle can order it for you. I have some back issues if anyone is interested just send me a PM. I am looking forward to adding non-sports cards, but right now I am a bit overwhelmed and not sure when and how to start, but I will get up to speed soon.

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Sat, 08 Nov 2008 11:01:06 GMT

SpidermanCavy has requested to do MARVEL SERIES IV from Skybox. If everyone doesn't mind, he'll focus on these, so try not to submit anything in this title as of yet. Thanks for the help and great input. Steve

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Sat, 08 Nov 2008 11:08:39 GMT

[quote=pkcomics]I haven't chimed in yet and I haven't started adding non-sports yet, I have kind of been sitting back and reading what others have to say first. My wife has been buying, selling, and collecting non-sports cards for over 20 years, so she is the real expert in our house on that hobby. In the non-sports world the term non-sports means any card or set of cards that is not sports related (i.e baseball, football, hockey, etc). They kicked around the term Entertainmaent Cards for a while, but since the non-sports field included stuff like Horrors of War and Red Menace, they decided the best term would be non-sports. When I say they, I mean the people who publish the Non-Sports Update magazine, thier readers and the people who participate in the Card Talk forum (check out nonsportsupdate.com). Most complete sets (sans chase cards) of new non-sports cards usually sell for about $5.00, so paying $1.00 to list a hand collated set may be a little high. Chase cards generally go for somewhere in the $2.00 to $5.00 range, and there are some costume and autographs and skecthes that can bring $100 or more. So, is a penny a card reasonable, I would say yes, if you are selling more than just hand collated sets. If you are thinking about buying or selling non-sports cards on this site, you should be buying Non-Sports Update which is publishe every other month. Your LCS can order it from Diamond, or Pat at ComicsCastle can order it for you. I have some back issues if anyone is interested just send me a PM. I am looking forward to adding non-sports cards, but right now I am a bit overwhelmed and not sure when and how to start, but I will get up to speed soon.[/quote] Glad you chimes in, PK. We're getting all of the ground rules laid out now, so now is the best time to chime in. Yep, Non-sports has been an industry term for years. We're going to make it understood that our book type "TRADING CARDS" encompasses NON-SPORT, and NON-GAMING. It can be daunting adding cards, but once a set's done, it's done - so that's good. And it appears that lots of people will be helping out in this section. We've added almost 5000 action figures to the CCL library in 4 months which is fantastic. In the first 24 hours of trading cards being listed, there have been over 200 added alone. This will be great. :)

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Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:20:42 GMT

I'd like to roll with Dark Horse's Comics' Greatest World from Topps. I only have Matrix cards #4 & #5, so help there would be appreciated. After that I'd like to follow up with Mallrats movie cards. Many of the cards are movie shots, but there's an awesome intra base set subset of fake comic covers by some great comic artists. Plenty more to come when available. Thanks to everyone for all their hard work and enthusiasm on this!

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Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:55:19 GMT

[quote=SwiftMann]I'd like to roll with Dark Horse's Comics' Greatest World from Topps. I only have Matrix cards #4 & #5, so help there would be appreciated. After that I'd like to follow up with Mallrats movie cards. Many of the cards are movie shots, but there's an awesome intra base set subset of fake comic covers by some great comic artists. Plenty more to come when available. Thanks to everyone for all their hard work and enthusiasm on this![/quote] Done - they're yours!

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Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:54:03 GMT

[quote=The_Valiant_One]SpidermanCavy has requested to do MARVEL SERIES IV from Skybox. If everyone doesn't mind, he'll focus on these, so try not to submit anything in this title as of yet. Thanks for the help and great input. Steve [/quote] So much for that. Someone named barney seems to have taken the job. P.S. his scans aren't cropped as nicely as mine are. [-(

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Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:22:27 GMT

As told to me by Valiant, [i]sooo[/i] staking my claim on the TRUE CRIME card sets.

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Sun, 09 Nov 2008 02:24:05 GMT

OOO OOO OOO, me me me....I got a variant thing for the guidelines. Take "Marvel Universe: Series 5 (Power Blast Subset)". These are 9 cards, but each card comes in Rainbow background, Silver background, and Gold background. These are variants, right, and not separate sets? I am 99.99% sure of this, but I see a request for adding a new set with the Rainbow notation, so we do need to outline this.

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Sun, 09 Nov 2008 09:27:00 GMT

Hey People! Just wanted to jump in here and say thanks for all of your support and hard work. You people are the best. I appreciate every one of you, and I just want you to know that The_Valiant_One and I and the rest of the team are dedicated to making this the coolest site on the planet. We know that without your help, it wouldn't be possible. Thanks. These cards are so cool. I am glad I let the_valiant_one talk me into making this available. Anyway, I appreciate you all, and be sure to have some fun while you are doing all this!

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Sun, 09 Nov 2008 10:08:40 GMT

[quote=Joe]These cards are so cool. I am glad I let the_valiant_one talk me into making this available.[/quote] AH! So [i]now[/i] we all know who to blame for all of this, huh?

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Sun, 09 Nov 2008 10:54:40 GMT

[quote=ntkeith]OOO OOO OOO, me me me....I got a variant thing for the guidelines. Take "Marvel Universe: Series 5 (Power Blast Subset)". These are 9 cards, but each card comes in Rainbow background, Silver background, and Gold background. These are variants, right, and not separate sets? I am 99.99% sure of this, but I see a request for adding a new set with the Rainbow notation, so we do need to outline this.[/quote] I could see it going either way because some people would want a set of each background and it would be easier to "see" what you have in your collection if they were separate titles, but variant is the way I'd lean. (same kind of deal with an old Star Wars sticker set - one set has one background, another set has different color background.)

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Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:31:08 GMT

[quote=vacantpassenger][quote=Joe]These cards are so cool. I am glad I let the_valiant_one talk me into making this available.[/quote] AH! So [i]now[/i] we all know who to blame for all of this, huh?[/quote] [i]Yeah well, I try[/i]. ;) Remember, it was YOU guys who asked for this stuff. I wanted to see how the action figures went before diving into the fun world of cards. I think we're getting a firm grasp on the figures, [i]with almost 5000 of them in the CCL database thus far[/i]. Kudos! Trading cards will make a [i]GREAT[/i] addition to CCL, I just know it. Who [b]DOESN'T[/b] love to look at those [i]Marvel Universe: Series 1 [/i]cards? They look great in CCL, and what a terrific additional resource for collectors, huh? Another reason why this site kicks [b]SO[/b] much (BLEEPING)(BLEEP).

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Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:32:47 GMT

[quote=ntkeith]OOO OOO OOO, me me me....I got a variant thing for the guidelines. Take "Marvel Universe: Series 5 (Power Blast Subset)". These are 9 cards, but each card comes in Rainbow background, Silver background, and Gold background. These are variants, right, and not separate sets? I am 99.99% sure of this, but I see a request for adding a new set with the Rainbow notation, so we do need to outline this.[/quote] Hey NK, are these the foils I'm thinking where one subset was available at Wal-Mart, another from another chain, and so on?

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Sun, 09 Nov 2008 13:31:29 GMT

[quote=The_Valiant_One][quote=ntkeith]OOO OOO OOO, me me me....I got a variant thing for the guidelines. Take "Marvel Universe: Series 5 (Power Blast Subset)". These are 9 cards, but each card comes in Rainbow background, Silver background, and Gold background. These are variants, right, and not separate sets? I am 99.99% sure of this, but I see a request for adding a new set with the Rainbow notation, so we do need to outline this.[/quote] Hey NK, are these the foils I'm thinking where one subset was available at Wal-Mart, another from another chain, and so on? [/quote] Yes, exactly the ones we are talking about. The source of where you could get them was different, but the image and the content were the same. Not to influence your decision, but to me they are like a DF or Comicon variant to me.

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Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:09:43 GMT

2 Questions for the Marvel Universe Cards: Shouldn't the Cover Desc include the category as well that's printed on the front of the cards? What I mean is like the Stregth / Speed Cover Desc should actually be Power Ratings: Strength / Speed, Teams: X-Factor, Origins: Wolverine, Rookies: X-Force, etc. as there are multiple cards of the same character(s) and having the category will be quite useful. As well, let's get some Source info like we do for ALL other Item Bios. Even if it's from the back of the card, let's get that sourced. Great job to all of you, none the less. Believe me, I know how much of a labor of love scanning and cropping and typing these entries can be.

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Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:09:34 GMT

[quote=Batman007]Shouldn't the Cover Desc include the category as well that's printed on the front of the cards? What I mean is like the Stregth / Speed Cover Desc should actually be Power Ratings: Strength / Speed, Teams: X-Factor, Origins: Wolverine, Rookies: X-Force, etc. as there are multiple cards of the same character(s) and having the category will be quite useful.[/quote] I got the ruler to the back of my hand when I started doing this with my first submissions, but I think the Cover Desc should include EVERYTHING on the front, arc in the series and all. And there are a few examples I would go further. - Marvel Universe Series 5 - Cards 1-9 are Freeze Frame, 10-18 Fatal Attractions, and every 9 cards make a collage until 91. I think these should be "Freeze Frame: Spider-Man" and "Fatal Attractions: Exodus and Cannonball". - (Going further) Marvel Flair '94 - Cards 135 - 140 are Maximum Carnage, and numbered as I - VI. So I would go "Maximum Carnage I: Carnage" to "Maximum Carnage IV: Venom Lives" because even though the front of the card just has the character name, they are a subset inside the set, and should be marked that way.

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Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:09:47 GMT

[quote=Batman007]2 Questions for the Marvel Universe Cards: Shouldn't the Cover Desc include the category as well that's printed on the front of the cards? What I mean is like the Stregth / Speed Cover Desc should actually be Power Ratings: Strength / Speed, Teams: X-Factor, Origins: Wolverine, Rookies: X-Force, etc. as there are multiple cards of the same character(s) and having the category will be quite useful. As well, let's get some Source info like we do for ALL other Item Bios. Even if it's from the back of the card, let's get that sourced. Great job to all of you, none the less. Believe me, I know how much of a labor of love scanning and cropping and typing these entries can be.[/quote] I was think that cover description would be used for the character/person on the card, or the caption on the front of the card. Things like things like "Strength" "Power" "Speed" I think would be best put in the "Story Arc" field, since multiple cards are involved in those catergories. The way I read the guidelines, any "series" with in the base set of the cards would be added to story arcs. So like lets say there were a card collection called "Comic Universe" with 200 cards. Anything numbered from 1-200 would be part of the base set. If cards 1-25 were part of a DC catergory, the story Arc would reflect that. 26-50 were Marvel characters, same thing. Or if other cards were label "superhumans" likewise.

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Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:11:17 GMT

I think the strength and such are good in the long description field, I think Batman is just looking for better uniform data formatting.

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Sun, 09 Nov 2008 17:32:45 GMT

[quote=ntkeith]I think the strength and such are good in the long description field, I think Batman is just looking for better uniform data formatting.[/quote] Aren't I always???? It's what I do best! Well for the Sandman and Vertigo Cards, I'm just going off what's on the Checklist and the Card themselves. And since there's only 1 Series of each and no duplicate characters, teams, etc., and many of the cards are just Issue Cover Art, I guess it makes more sense for those but something like the Marvel Universe Series, maybe not since they're pretty much character specific. The Vertigo and Sandman cards, some of them are Story Arc specific and some are Character Specific, but each grouping is noted by differentiation of text on the front of the card. Either way, it doesn't matter to me so long as the entries are all consistent over a Card Series. As for the Source info, however, I think that's something that should be mandatory as these sources could come from anywhere and CCL doesn't want to get sued. Keep up the great and laborious work, you're doing a great job everyone.

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Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:14:50 GMT

[quote=vacantpassenger]I think would be best put in the "Story Arc" field, since multiple cards are involved in those catergories. The way I read the guidelines, any "series" with in the base set of the cards would be added to story arcs. So like lets say there were a card collection called "Comic Universe" with 200 cards. Anything numbered from 1-200 would be part of the base set. If cards 1-25 were part of a DC catergory, the story Arc would reflect that. 26-50 were Marvel characters, same thing. Or if other cards were label "superhumans" likewise.[/quote] I like this idea. Otherwise, we're putting 150 cards in with the generic Super Hero/Super Villain title and that's just silly. I do think the card type should be noted, but not in the cover description

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Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:23:22 GMT

[quote=Batman007]2 Questions for the Marvel Universe Cards: Shouldn't the Cover Desc include the category as well that's printed on the front of the cards? What I mean is like the Stregth / Speed Cover Desc should actually be Power Ratings: Strength / Speed, Teams: X-Factor, Origins: Wolverine, Rookies: X-Force, etc. as there are multiple cards of the same character(s) and having the category will be quite useful. As well, let's get some Source info like we do for ALL other Item Bios. Even if it's from the back of the card, let's get that sourced. Great job to all of you, none the less. Believe me, I know how much of a labor of love scanning and cropping and typing these entries can be.[/quote] The set within a set, such as Rookies, Origins, things like that...it's ok to have in the bio if you want it, but it's not something that is going to be written into the guidelines. BUT if someone DOES decide to add them, try to stay consistant within that particular cover title. Just comes down to personal preference: if it's there, we're good, if it's not, still good. Yeah, bios are important on these, because organic search picks this up in engines like Yahoo and what not. If necessary, get the cards in, and go back and do the item bios. Agree with Bats - good job guys!

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Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:24:42 GMT

[quote=ntkeith][quote=Batman007]Shouldn't the Cover Desc include the category as well that's printed on the front of the cards? What I mean is like the Stregth / Speed Cover Desc should actually be Power Ratings: Strength / Speed, Teams: X-Factor, Origins: Wolverine, Rookies: X-Force, etc. as there are multiple cards of the same character(s) and having the category will be quite useful.[/quote] I got the ruler to the back of my hand when I started doing this with my first submissions, but I think the Cover Desc should include EVERYTHING on the front, arc in the series and all. And there are a few examples I would go further. - Marvel Universe Series 5 - Cards 1-9 are Freeze Frame, 10-18 Fatal Attractions, and every 9 cards make a collage until 91. I think these should be "Freeze Frame: Spider-Man" and "Fatal Attractions: Exodus and Cannonball". - (Going further) Marvel Flair '94 - Cards 135 - 140 are Maximum Carnage, and numbered as I - VI. So I would go "Maximum Carnage I: Carnage" to "Maximum Carnage IV: Venom Lives" because even though the front of the card just has the character name, they are a subset inside the set, and should be marked that way.[/quote] Again, good with all that, or not. Totally up to you, the submitter. AS for the story arcs and characters, YES, that IS important to link up. Stay as consistant as you can within a series...

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Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:28:33 GMT

[quote=Batman007][quote=ntkeith]I think the strength and such are good in the long description field, I think Batman is just looking for better uniform data formatting.[/quote] Aren't I always???? It's what I do best! Well for the Sandman and Vertigo Cards, I'm just going off what's on the Checklist and the Card themselves. And since there's only 1 Series of each and no duplicate characters, teams, etc., and many of the cards are just Issue Cover Art, I guess it makes more sense for those but something like the Marvel Universe Series, maybe not since they're pretty much character specific. The Vertigo and Sandman cards, some of them are Story Arc specific and some are Character Specific, but each grouping is noted by differentiation of text on the front of the card. Either way, it doesn't matter to me so long as the entries are all consistent over a Card Series. As for the Source info, however, I think that's something that should be mandatory as these sources could come from anywhere and CCL doesn't want to get sued. Keep up the great and laborious work, you're doing a great job everyone. [/quote] I've even sourced CARDS as information for other entries... [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/Issue.aspx?id=efe08ea9-2225-41a5-bb66-d4a18178ed5f]G,I.Joe Rapid Attack Motorcycle using IMPEL card as source for Bio..[/url]

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Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:49:32 GMT

Looking for a little guidance here - Is there some way to notate a limited amount of factory sets produced? If so, where should it go? For example: 1993 Star Wars: Empire Strikes Back tin from Metallic Images - [url=http://www.starwarscards.net/1995esbtin.htm]Link[/url] - is limited to 49,900 sets. The only way these were released were in the factory set in tin. So, I come up with two options: 1) Add the # into the Title for the two titles - one for Base Set (loose cards) and the other for the Factory set. OR 2) add the # into the Cover Desc/Caption (like comics) for each individual card and for the factory set. Part of me would like to see it in the title for those sets that only came as factory sets and were numbered. For subsets with limited #'d cards, I'd say put it in the Cover Desc of the card.

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Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:24:12 GMT

[quote=The_Valiant_One][quote=Batman007]2 Questions for the Marvel Universe Cards: Shouldn't the Cover Desc include the category as well that's printed on the front of the cards? What I mean is like the Stregth / Speed Cover Desc should actually be Power Ratings: Strength / Speed, Teams: X-Factor, Origins: Wolverine, Rookies: X-Force, etc. as there are multiple cards of the same character(s) and having the category will be quite useful. As well, let's get some Source info like we do for ALL other Item Bios. Even if it's from the back of the card, let's get that sourced. Great job to all of you, none the less. Believe me, I know how much of a labor of love scanning and cropping and typing these entries can be.[/quote] The set within a set, such as Rookies, Origins, things like that...it's ok to have in the bio if you want it, but it's not something that is going to be written into the guidelines. BUT if someone DOES decide to add them, try to stay consistant within that particular cover title. Just comes down to personal preference: if it's there, we're good, if it's not, still good. Yeah, bios are important on these, because organic search picks this up in engines like Yahoo and what not. If necessary, get the cards in, and go back and do the item bios. Agree with Bats - good job guys![/quote] Bats is talking cover descriptions, not item bios though. I don't believe anyone has a problem with it being in item bios if someone is willing to put the time in. But, as I mentioned earlier, I don't believe it should be in the cover description.

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Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:54:08 GMT

BTW - I'm claiming Star Wars Galaxy 1 and 3 Promos.

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Sun, 09 Nov 2008 22:02:21 GMT

[quote=scotteaves]Looking for a little guidance here - Is there some way to notate a limited amount of factory sets produced? If so, where should it go? For example: 1993 Star Wars: Empire Strikes Back tin from Metallic Images - [url=http://www.starwarscards.net/1995esbtin.htm]Link[/url] - is limited to 49,900 sets. The only way these were released were in the factory set in tin. So, I come up with two options: 1) Add the # into the Title for the two titles - one for Base Set (loose cards) and the other for the Factory set. OR 2) add the # into the Cover Desc/Caption (like comics) for each individual card and for the factory set. Part of me would like to see it in the title for those sets that only came as factory sets and were numbered. For subsets with limited #'d cards, I'd say put it in the Cover Desc of the card.[/quote] Just like we do DF prints on comics, it should go in Title Description. In the instance there are factory sealed sets, they should be a separate item in the main item for the set (Marvel Universe: Series 1 - #3 is sealed factory set). Hand collated sets are sold by adding all the cards, listing the lot.

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Sun, 09 Nov 2008 23:54:26 GMT

ntkeith I just want to see it in action. You have a vision! Keeping a list of all the errors everyone's caught as I have to go back and do Additions anyways... ah 2.0... Thanks all and keep it up. This Trading Card thing is going to be a first on the net. Crazy to have such a detailed Database on Cards in like 2 days thus far. Sold pretty much all of my cards some years back with my Super Hero VHS Tapes, but I didn't have a scanner back then. Wacky Packages, Garbage Pail Kids (like prison money back in school and banned!), Crazy Labels... Can't wait for someone to add those. And the [url=http://www.swfigures.com/swf/Enlarged/C-3PO(207)(BannedCard)(ReplacedCard)(Topps1977).htm]DIRTY C3P0 CARD[/url]... that's a great one!

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:03:16 GMT

Question: When adding characters to the cards credits, should we add only characters/people appearing on the actual art on the front face of the card or characters from the back as well, that my be pictured in the bio. IMO, I think only from the actual card art on the front, that being the focus of the card itslef. Other thoughts?

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:06:15 GMT

I'd do both since a card is only 2 sides at most. Nice to know what's on the other side. So little info to put in these why not max it out?

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:08:05 GMT

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:08:57 GMT

I guess that's a good point. The more the merrier, eh? My reasoning was sometimes the art on the back is completely unrelated to the front, or even from another series. Didn't know they were already entered like that, so might as well keep going with it!

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:13:49 GMT

[quote=SwiftMann][quote=vacantpassenger]I think would be best put in the "Story Arc" field, since multiple cards are involved in those catergories. The way I read the guidelines, any "series" with in the base set of the cards would be added to story arcs. So like lets say there were a card collection called "Comic Universe" with 200 cards. Anything numbered from 1-200 would be part of the base set. If cards 1-25 were part of a DC catergory, the story Arc would reflect that. 26-50 were Marvel characters, same thing. Or if other cards were label "superhumans" likewise.[/quote] I like this idea. Otherwise, we're putting 150 cards in with the generic Super Hero/Super Villain title and that's just silly. I do think the card type should be noted, but not in the cover description[/quote] Well, not so much from denoting it away form a generic titles, but to bring attention to [i]acutal[/i] subseries within base sets. I know a lot of collections do that.

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:18:39 GMT

Another thing I thought should be pointed out: Should (Base Set) only be added to the Cover Title if there is a subset that exists? I mean, denoting a title that has no inserts, bonuses, incentives as a (base set) seems deceptive. (Base Set) seems to imply that there is more than just that set.

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:34:59 GMT

[quote=vacantpassenger]Another thing I thought should be pointed out: Should (Base Set) only be added to the Cover Title if there is a subset that exists? I mean, denoting a title that has no inserts, bonuses, incentives as a (base set) seems deceptive. (Base Set) seems to imply that there is more than just that set.[/quote] Base Set would be necessary, because the listing without Base Set would be for the sealed box/packs/factory sets.

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:29:58 GMT

[quote=SwiftMann][quote=The_Valiant_One][quote=Batman007]2 Questions for the Marvel Universe Cards: Shouldn't the Cover Desc include the category as well that's printed on the front of the cards? What I mean is like the Stregth / Speed Cover Desc should actually be Power Ratings: Strength / Speed, Teams: X-Factor, Origins: Wolverine, Rookies: X-Force, etc. as there are multiple cards of the same character(s) and having the category will be quite useful. As well, let's get some Source info like we do for ALL other Item Bios. Even if it's from the back of the card, let's get that sourced. Great job to all of you, none the less. Believe me, I know how much of a labor of love scanning and cropping and typing these entries can be.[/quote] The set within a set, such as Rookies, Origins, things like that...it's ok to have in the [b]bio[/b] if you want it, but it's not something that is going to be written into the guidelines. BUT if someone DOES decide to add them, try to stay consistant within that particular cover title. Just comes down to personal preference: if it's there, we're good, if it's not, still good. Yeah, bios are important on these, because organic search picks this up in engines like Yahoo and what not. If necessary, get the cards in, and go back and do the item bios. Agree with Bats - good job guys![/quote] Bats is talking cover descriptions, not item bios though. I don't believe anyone has a problem with it being in item bios if someone is willing to put the time in. But, as I mentioned earlier, I don't believe it should be in the cover description.[/quote] Sorry Swift, I totally meant to say that it was ok to have in the [b]CAPTION[/b] (aka Cover Descriptions) but it wouldn't be written in the guidelines as gospel.

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:37:45 GMT

[quote=vacantpassenger]Question: When adding characters to the cards credits, should we add only characters/people appearing on the actual art on the front face of the card or characters from the back as well, that my be pictured in the bio. IMO, I think only from the actual card art on the front, that being the focus of the card itslef. Other thoughts?[/quote] Very good question. Meant to cover this topic before. For all intents and purposes, keep the character additions limited to the [b]FRONT[/b] of the card. Examples? Pretty much all of them. If you find the imfamous Joe Butler rookie card with his image on the front - add Joe Butler to the characters. Cards that depict scenes like "Crisis on Infinite Earths" or "Secret Wars" try to include story arcs, along with whoever is in the front image. On the FLIP side, it will also be important to pay attention to the information on the [b]BACK[/b] of the card. Example: Marvel Universe: Series 1 features a card called "Captain America" on the front, but says "Captain America's Motorcycle" on the back. The card number is the main information in a numbered set, with the name being kinda personal preference, but we'd like to see it called the name with the INFORMATION, or the name the card is commonly called in links and such found in research you will give. In this case, Captain America's Motorcycle would be the preferred name per CCL.

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:38:29 GMT

[quote=ntkeith][quote=vacantpassenger]Another thing I thought should be pointed out: Should (Base Set) only be added to the Cover Title if there is a subset that exists? I mean, denoting a title that has no inserts, bonuses, incentives as a (base set) seems deceptive. (Base Set) seems to imply that there is more than just that set.[/quote] Base Set would be necessary, because the listing without Base Set would be for the sealed box/packs/factory sets.[/quote] Spot on nkeith! You hit the nail on the head. ;)

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 03:38:54 GMT

New one for the guidelines, error cards that are mis-numbered. Take Marvel Annual Flair '94. The checklist lists the Iron Man card as #6, but the card itself was misprinted with the number 8. So do we put this in the DB as #6 (where it should have been without a mistake), or do we make it a variant of #8?

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:17:15 GMT

So I guess the Photo Puzzle Back that shows, say Chewbacca hand doesn't count as a character appearance for the poor wookie. Clear enough but there's gonna be some major editing on many of the Submissions so far.

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:13:37 GMT

So should I be holding off on submissions until you guys figure this out (and make the all-knowing Batman007 happy)! I don't wanna be typing sh!t in if I don't have too. This is a labor of love, but it's a labor none the less and I take a few hours out of each of my recent days to do this.

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:30:21 GMT

[quote=The_Valiant_One][quote=ntkeith][quote=vacantpassenger]Another thing I thought should be pointed out: Should (Base Set) only be added to the Cover Title if there is a subset that exists? I mean, denoting a title that has no inserts, bonuses, incentives as a (base set) seems deceptive. (Base Set) seems to imply that there is more than just that set.[/quote] Base Set would be necessary, because the listing without Base Set would be for the sealed box/packs/factory sets.[/quote] Spot on nkeith! You hit the nail on the head. ;)[/quote] Didn't even catch that the first time over the guidelines, thanks!

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:50:08 GMT

1) I like the idea of keeping the character listing to just who appears on the front of the card. 2) The error numbered card, I'd say put it as 8.1 or something like that. Someone who just has a few cards isn't going to now that it was a mistake.

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:04:54 GMT

[quote=ntkeith]New one for the guidelines, error cards that are mis-numbered. Take Marvel Annual Flair '94. The checklist lists the Iron Man card as #6, but the card itself was misprinted with the number 8. So do we put this in the DB as #6 (where it should have been without a mistake), or do we make it a variant of #8?[/quote] If there's a true #8, it should go in as #6, with the caption reading: (Misprinted as #8) Then in the item bio explain what you just told me so collector's will have further understanding. Thanks!

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:18:47 GMT

[quote=Batman007]So I guess the Photo Puzzle Back that shows, say Chewbacca hand doesn't count as a character appearance for the poor wookie. Clear enough but there's gonna be some major editing on many of the Submissions so far.[/quote] Ok, well, in THAT case, yes, you're it's fine to include the character of Chewbacca. We were talking about 1 card vs 9 cards here. That will work fine. I'll update the guidelines later to include that rule. Again, on some of this stuff, it's going to be perspective. More information is better than less, but we want good presentable data.

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:20:26 GMT

[quote=SpidermanCavy]So should I be holding off on submissions until you guys figure this out (and make the all-knowing Batman007 happy)! I don't wanna be typing sh!t in if I don't have too. This is a labor of love, but it's a labor none the less and I take a few hours out of each of my recent days to do this.[/quote] The basic card information in adding is sound. I'm not going to reject your submission unless there's just 100% FALSE or bad info presented. Adding a character that might not be needed to be added can be picked up on an edit issue in 2.0 BETA. ;)

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:04:06 GMT

THE FIRST FULL BASE SET is in the CCL DATABASE! Thanks nkeith for finishing off... [b]Marvel Universe: Series 3 (Base Set)[/b] That bad set was 200 cards strong, too. Kudos! =d> =d> You guys are doing great! Keep up the good work! I've got almost 1300 change requests to do today, so if you need me for something serious, PM me, k? Again, wow.

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:18:27 GMT

I've not noticed cover cards being discussed yet I'm thinking they should be listed as a #0 card if there is one in the set, feeling on this?

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:20:10 GMT

[quote=The_Valiant_One]THE FIRST FULL BASE SET is in the CCL DATABASE! Thanks nkeith for finishing off... [b]Marvel Universe: Series 3 (Base Set)[/b] That bad set was 200 cards strong, too. Kudos! =d> =d> You guys are doing great! Keep up the good work! I've got almost 1300 change requests to do today, so if you need me for something serious, PM me, k? Again, wow. [/quote] Hmmmm... Question for the experts. This set is marked as published by Skybox per the database. But I have two of the pictured cards (#34, #144) identical images in hand - but they are clearly marked "Impel" on the back? Is there a mix up here between Marvel Universe: Series 2 and Marvel Universe: Series 3??? Anyone splain why? Are images of backs of cards included in approval process or should they be? I know this is more work, but may lead to more accuracy.

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:44:11 GMT

Is there a way to add wrappers in with the cards? In many cases they are worth more than the cards, especially with old sets like Mars Attacks.

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:51:19 GMT

[quote=comicnutz][quote=The_Valiant_One]THE FIRST FULL BASE SET is in the CCL DATABASE! Thanks nkeith for finishing off... [b]Marvel Universe: Series 3 (Base Set)[/b] That bad set was 200 cards strong, too. Kudos! =d> =d> You guys are doing great! Keep up the good work! I've got almost 1300 change requests to do today, so if you need me for something serious, PM me, k? Again, wow. [/quote] Hmmmm... Question for the experts. This set is marked as published by Skybox per the database. But I have two of the pictured cards (#34, #144) identical images in hand - but they are clearly marked "Impel" on the back? Is there a mix up here between Marvel Universe: Series 2 and Marvel Universe: Series 3??? Anyone splain why? Are images of backs of cards included in approval process or should they be? I know this is more work, but may lead to more accuracy. [/quote] SkyBox bought Impel in the early 90s. Here's an image of the Series III wrapper with SkyBox on it, it's one in the same at this point. But, you're right, the card backs have the Impel logo. I think it's just commonly thought of as SkyBox because of the wrappers and it was released post name change. [img]http://www.marvel.com/i/content/st/1066new_storyimage9781870_thumb.jpg[/img]

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:02:23 GMT

hey Valiant I just wanted to put my name in to put in some disney cards I'll start with Lion King and go from there if it's alright.

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:17:48 GMT

[quote=comicnutz] Are images of backs of cards included in approval process or should they be? I know this is more work, but may lead to more accuracy. [/quote] Keep to just the front of the card for now, please. However, if you want to add some of the data from the back of the card onto the Item Bio, (as Bats is doing with the SANDMAN cards) go right ahead! :) Kudos everyone!

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:18:09 GMT

[quote=Sirs]hey Valiant I just wanted to put my name in to put in some disney cards I'll start with Lion King and go from there if it's alright.[/quote] You're on!

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:21:22 GMT

[quote=comicscastle]Is there a way to add wrappers in with the cards? In many cases they are worth more than the cards, especially with old sets like Mars Attacks.[/quote] Hey Pat - in the generic cover title for each series, Issue #2 is designated as an unopened pack. Wrappers can be sold in this manner in the same way a loose figure is sold. For an example: check out MARVEL UNIVERSE: Series 1 Cover Title Issue #1 is the placeholder for a [b]SEALED BOX[/b]. Issue #2 is the placeholder for a [b]SEALED PACK[/b]. Issue #3 is the placeholder for a [b]FACTORY SET[/b]. Issue #4 will PROBABLY be where [b]mail-off checklists [/b]will go, but don't quote me yet...

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:41:26 GMT

I don't want to step on other people's toes here, but I wanted to ask a question on set naming. "Marvel Masterpieces: Series 3" is in the DB, but I just several minutes trying to determine which was which, because all the Masterpieces are named by the year (Series 3 would be "Marvel Masterpieces 1994 Edition" by the logo on the card). Are we looking to make it accurate to the card, or going with the series as a default rule?

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:19:48 GMT

[quote=ntkeith]I don't want to step on other people's toes here, but I wanted to ask a question on set naming. "Marvel Masterpieces: Series 3" is in the DB, but I just several minutes trying to determine which was which, because all the Masterpieces are named by the year (Series 3 would be "Marvel Masterpieces 1994 Edition" by the logo on the card). Are we looking to make it accurate to the card, or going with the series as a default rule?[/quote] I'm going to need some expert help that cover title, as I'm not 100% familiar with it. ntkeith...help us out. ALSO, question. Do we want to add binders under the generic title with sealed boxs and packs, as another issue number to keep all the additions to the set together, or stick to the plan of keeping binders as a separate cover title. The binders were usually available only through special offers, which is why I ask. THoughts?

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:48:12 GMT

1) I'd lean more towards the name on the box and wrapper versus what may or may not be on the cards. 2) I think lumping the binders in with the boxes, packs and sets is a good idea.

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:56:05 GMT

[quote=SwiftMann]1) [color=blue]I'd lean more towards the name on the box and wrapper versus what may or may not be on the cards[/color]. 2) I think lumping the binders in with the boxes, packs and sets is a good idea.[/quote] The only problem is that someone with a group of cards might not have the box or wrapper. All he has is the card and could easily be confused. How about a split name like Sky Box/Impel?

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:58:32 GMT

I like binders, collector tins, uncut sheets and such in with the main title. You can just put them in order you want to see them in the guidelines, and we follow this. No biggie if #4 is a binder and a binder doesn't exist, we just skip 4. [url=http://cgi.ebay.com/94-FLEER-Ultra-X-MEN-Marvel-Comics-Trading-Cards-MINT_W0QQitemZ370106317977QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item370106317977&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1209|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318]'94 Fleer Ultra X-Men[/url] - The only thing I don't like about that title is leading with the year. But by the logo, that would be correct. The other theory would be to come up with something uniform. Say... [Set Focus]: [Year or Series] So that would be.... Fleer Ultra X-Men: '94 Marvel Masterpieces: 1994 (and most of the ones already in are right) I think the only reason to go this way is for DB grouping, where it wouldn't make sense to look down the list and see all the years grouped together, not the sets. The rule would be "Year/Series is always last".

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:24:06 GMT

[quote=ntkeith]I like binders, collector tins, uncut sheets and such in with the main title. You can just put them in order you want to see them in the guidelines, and we follow this. No biggie if #4 is a binder and a binder doesn't exist, we just skip 4. [url=http://cgi.ebay.com/94-FLEER-Ultra-X-MEN-Marvel-Comics-Trading-Cards-MINT_W0QQitemZ370106317977QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item370106317977&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1209|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318]'94 Fleer Ultra X-Men[/url] - The only thing I don't like about that title is leading with the year. But by the logo, that would be correct. The other theory would be to come up with something uniform. Say... [Set Focus]: [Year or Series] So that would be.... Fleer Ultra X-Men: '94 Marvel Masterpieces: 1994 (and most of the ones already in are right) I think the only reason to go this way is for DB grouping, where it wouldn't make sense to look down the list and see all the years grouped together, not the sets. The rule would be "Year/Series is always last".[/quote] Makes sense to me...thoughts anyone?

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:30:28 GMT

GUIDLINES UPDATED. For adding additional set supplements, use this format. Choose the generic title for the card set with no paranthticals. Issue #1 is the place for SEALED BOX. Issue #2 is the place for SEALED PACK. Issue #3 is the place for the BINDER. Issue #4 is the place for a FACTORY SET. Issue #5 is the place for a MAIL-AWAY CHECKLIST. Keep uncut sheets as is for now.

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:44:18 GMT

[quote=The_Valiant_One]GUIDLINES UPDATED. For adding additional set supplements, use this format. Choose the generic title for the card set with no paranthticals. Issue #1 is the place for SEALED BOX. Issue #2 is the place for SEALED PACK. Issue #3 is the place for the BINDER. Issue #4 is the place for a FACTORY SET. Issue #5 is the place for a MAIL-AWAY CHECKLIST. Keep uncut sheets as is for now. [/quote]Issue #6 is the place for loose WRAPPERS?

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:52:00 GMT

[quote=comicscastle][quote=The_Valiant_One]GUIDLINES UPDATED. For adding additional set supplements, use this format. Choose the generic title for the card set with no paranthticals. Issue #1 is the place for SEALED BOX. Issue #2 is the place for SEALED PACK. Issue #3 is the place for the BINDER. Issue #4 is the place for a FACTORY SET. Issue #5 is the place for a MAIL-AWAY CHECKLIST. Keep uncut sheets as is for now. [/quote]Issue #6 is the place for loose WRAPPERS?[/quote] Nope, use the image of the sealed pack, but include that your item is for just the wrapper in your item description. It's still a representation of the item just like action figures carded or loose.

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:40:19 GMT

[quote=The_Valiant_One][quote=comicscastle][quote=The_Valiant_One]GUIDLINES UPDATED. For adding additional set supplements, use this format. Choose the generic title for the card set with no paranthticals. Issue #1 is the place for SEALED BOX. Issue #2 is the place for SEALED PACK. Issue #3 is the place for the BINDER. Issue #4 is the place for a FACTORY SET. Issue #5 is the place for a MAIL-AWAY CHECKLIST. Keep uncut sheets as is for now. [/quote]Issue #6 is the place for loose WRAPPERS?[/quote] Nope, use the image of the sealed pack, but include that your item is for just the wrapper in your item description. It's still a representation of the item just like action figures carded or loose. [/quote]OK, but that doesn't sound right to me. As a collector I would want to inventory my collection as it actually is, and a wrapper is not a sealed pack. However, since I don't collect or sell cards it's really a moot point to me.

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:51:31 GMT

[quote=comicscastle][quote=The_Valiant_One][quote=comicscastle][quote=The_Valiant_One]GUIDLINES UPDATED. For adding additional set supplements, use this format. Choose the generic title for the card set with no paranthticals. Issue #1 is the place for SEALED BOX. Issue #2 is the place for SEALED PACK. Issue #3 is the place for the BINDER. Issue #4 is the place for a FACTORY SET. Issue #5 is the place for a MAIL-AWAY CHECKLIST. Keep uncut sheets as is for now. [/quote]Issue #6 is the place for loose WRAPPERS?[/quote] Nope, use the image of the sealed pack, but include that your item is for just the wrapper in your item description. It's still a representation of the item just like action figures carded or loose. [/quote]OK, but that doesn't sound right to me. As a collector I would want to inventory my collection as it actually is, and a wrapper is not a sealed pack. However, since I don't collect or sell cards it's really a moot point to me.[/quote] I agree, just remember that you can edit your local to not only include what the item is, but also an image of the item, so if you want to scan your wrapper, it will show up as the default as opposed to the one we show. Wrappers are great on the older series, no two ways about it. And we're not telling you that you CAN'T put them in. We're just telling you how we'd like them to be added. As always Pat, you're invaluable!

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:58:50 GMT

[quote=The_Valiant_One]GUIDLINES UPDATED. For adding additional set supplements, use this format. Choose the generic title for the card set with no paranthticals. Issue #1 is the place for SEALED BOX. Issue #2 is the place for SEALED PACK. [color=blue]Issue #3 is the place for the BINDER.[/color] Issue #4 is the place for a FACTORY SET. Issue #5 is the place for a MAIL-AWAY CHECKLIST. Keep uncut sheets as is for now.[/quote] So does this mean that collector's binders will not be added as their own cover titles?

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:04:45 GMT

You are correct, binders go under the generic Cover Title. Here's an [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/CoverTitle.aspx?id=bacf3dd2-9405-42a2-8edc-5adbac2f658c]EXAMPLE[/url] from the Database. I just made a resubmission for the Vertigo and Sandman sets and had the Desc say ((4 Items) as there's only a pack/wrapper, a box, a binder and a factory set.

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:11:40 GMT

Correct. The binders will now go under the generic title heading as issue #3. ;)

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:40:24 GMT

Amazing how sharp this is getting put together. Figure you guys have done something like this before? Like in another area, say comics or action figures?

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:59:27 GMT

[quote=SwiftMann][quote=comicnutz][quote=The_Valiant_One]THE FIRST FULL BASE SET is in the CCL DATABASE! Thanks nkeith for finishing off... [b]Marvel Universe: Series 3 (Base Set)[/b] That bad set was 200 cards strong, too. Kudos! =d> =d> You guys are doing great! Keep up the good work! I've got almost 1300 change requests to do today, so if you need me for something serious, PM me, k? Again, wow. [/quote] Hmmmm... Question for the experts. This set is marked as published by Skybox per the database. But I have two of the pictured cards (#34, #144) identical images in hand - but they are clearly marked "Impel" on the back? Is there a mix up here between Marvel Universe: Series 2 and Marvel Universe: Series 3??? Anyone splain why? Are images of backs of cards included in approval process or should they be? I know this is more work, but may lead to more accuracy. [/quote] SkyBox bought Impel in the early 90s. Here's an image of the Series III wrapper with SkyBox on it, it's one in the same at this point. But, you're right, the card backs have the Impel logo. I think it's just commonly thought of as SkyBox because of the wrappers and it was released post name change. [img]http://www.marvel.com/i/content/st/1066new_storyimage9781870_thumb.jpg[/img][/quote] Ok, if this is so, then here we go with multiple publishers, again. The pack is labelled "Skybox" but you will find it nowhere on the card. So shouldn't it be labelled "Impel(Skybox)" or vice versa? My reason for arguing this is simple. Most do not have the packs anymore. They only have the card. The card says Impel. If the category had been filled, I as a buyer/owner might not look under the title published by Skybox. Thankfully, I say, keep it simple for the average user... (And if you really want to get technical, they are copyright by Marvel Entertainment Group distributed by Impel.)

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:05:17 GMT

[quote=The_Valiant_One]Correct. The binders will now go under the generic title heading as issue #3. ;)[/quote] I think that is the quickest change to the guidelines I've ever seen! Dumb question, being as I'm not a card collector but a comic collector, what the heck is a factory set and how is it different?

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:26:14 GMT

Instead of buying packs and trying to make a complete set you can sometimes purchase complete sets (usually Base Sets only) directly in one package. The Chase Cards, Special Holofoils, Sticker Cards, Sketch Cards, etc. are not included and require you to buy the packs to find them or seek them out in the secondary market but the base sets are easily accessible. A general note to all Trading Card Submitters, how about linking examples in the Database to the Guidelines (I think this would be helpful for ALL the Guidelines) to demonstrate the correct formats in action? This thread is all over the palce and while the Guidelines are constantly being updated, the details are spread out among the posts. Like we still don't know the proper Cover Title Desc for the Generic Cover Title with regards to Packs, Boxes, Binders, etc. Just a thought.

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:58:51 GMT

[quote=Batman007]Instead of buying packs and trying to make a complete set you can sometimes purchase complete sets (usually Base Sets only) directly in one package. The Chase Cards, Special Holofoils, Sticker Cards, Sketch Cards, etc. are not included and require you to buy the packs to find them or seek them out in the secondary market but the base sets are easily accessible. A general note to all Trading Card Submitters, how about linking examples in the Database to the Guidelines (I think this would be helpful for ALL the Guidelines) to demonstrate the correct formats in action? This thread is all over the palce and while the Guidelines are constantly being updated, the details are spread out among the posts. [color=blue]Like we still don't know the proper Cover Title Desc for the Generic Cover Title with regards to Packs, Boxes, Binders, etc. Just a thought.[/color][/quote] Sure we do. Valiant confirmed it when quoting nkeiths response to my question on the last page. It does not get a designation such as (Base Set) at the end of the cover title. [quote=The_Valiant_One][quote=ntkeith][quote=vacantpassenger]Another thing I thought should be pointed out: Should (Base Set) only be added to the Cover Title if there is a subset that exists? I mean, denoting a title that has no inserts, bonuses, incentives as a (base set) seems deceptive. (Base Set) seems to imply that there is more than just that set.[/quote] Base Set would be necessary, because the listing without Base Set would be for the sealed box/packs/factory sets.[/quote] Spot on nkeith! You hit the nail on the head. ;)[/quote]

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:35:06 GMT

The Title we know but the Desc underneath it we don't. You know like SkyBox 1994 (# Items), no mention of that anywhere. My general point was to peper the Guidelines with Correct examples in the Database. The best way for people to see the Guidelines in action is to actually have correct examples from the Database itself.

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:51:40 GMT

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:03:50 GMT

[quote=comicnutz][quote=SwiftMann][quote=comicnutz][quote=The_Valiant_One]THE FIRST FULL BASE SET is in the CCL DATABASE! Thanks nkeith for finishing off... [b]Marvel Universe: Series 3 (Base Set)[/b] That bad set was 200 cards strong, too. Kudos! =d> =d> You guys are doing great! Keep up the good work! I've got almost 1300 change requests to do today, so if you need me for something serious, PM me, k? Again, wow. [/quote] Hmmmm... Question for the experts. This set is marked as published by Skybox per the database. But I have two of the pictured cards (#34, #144) identical images in hand - but they are clearly marked "Impel" on the back? Is there a mix up here between Marvel Universe: Series 2 and Marvel Universe: Series 3??? Anyone splain why? Are images of backs of cards included in approval process or should they be? I know this is more work, but may lead to more accuracy. [/quote] SkyBox bought Impel in the early 90s. Here's an image of the Series III wrapper with SkyBox on it, it's one in the same at this point. But, you're right, the card backs have the Impel logo. I think it's just commonly thought of as SkyBox because of the wrappers and it was released post name change. [img]http://www.marvel.com/i/content/st/1066new_storyimage9781870_thumb.jpg[/img][/quote] Ok, if this is so, then here we go with multiple publishers, again. The pack is labelled "Skybox" but you will find it nowhere on the card. So shouldn't it be labelled "Impel(Skybox)" or vice versa? My reason for arguing this is simple. Most do not have the packs anymore. They only have the card. The card says Impel. If the category had been filled, I as a buyer/owner might not look under the title published by Skybox. Thankfully, I say, keep it simple for the average user... (And if you really want to get technical, they are copyright by Marvel Entertainment Group distributed by Impel.)[/quote] Hey ComicNutz - you raise valid points abounds.... CCL is trying to AVOID split or mulitiple publishers. Not because we couldn't do it, but because through our searches it makes things that much harder to find stuff in our search. The card might say Impel, but the front of the box that holds says Skybox, as does other sites for research. Like you say, we'd rather keep it simple and less confusing all the way around.

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:11:03 GMT

[quote=Batman007]The Title we know but the Desc underneath it we don't. You know like SkyBox 1994 (# Items), no mention of that anywhere. My general point was to peper the Guidelines with Correct examples in the Database. The best way for people to see the Guidelines in action is to actually have correct examples from the Database itself. [/quote] [i]Factory Sets, Sealed Boxes, Mail-Away Checkllists, and Sealed Packs 1) These will all be listed under one cover title, currently with NO paranthetical.... Ex: Marvel Universe: Series 1 The place for issue #1 will ALWAYS BE the SEALED BOX. The place for issue #2 will ALWAYS BE the SEALED PACK. The place for issue #3 will ALWAYS BE the BINDER. The place for issue #4 will ALWAYS be the FACTORY SET. The place for issue #5 will ALWAYS be the MAIL-AWAY CHECKLIST (if applicable) [/i] Sorry if this wasn't made clearer. For those items listed below, the cover title description will be numbered in conjunction with what is verifiable. For example, if a set of cards by Topps from 1997 only has 3 of the 5 things listed above, then the title description should state: Topps 1997 (3 Items) In some cases, the cover title might need to be edited. But in reality, unless there's a special circumstance, the generic cover title for card sets shouldn't go over (5 Items). I can put that in the guidelines, but I just thought it would be kinda figured out. GUIDELINES UPDATED TO REFLECT COVER TITLE DESCRIPTION.

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Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:18:21 GMT

[quote=ntkeith]Amazing how sharp this is getting put together. Figure you guys have done something like this before? Like in another area, say comics or action figures?[/quote] Thanks ntkeith :) That's very cool of you to say. The key is to take it slow and not overrun ourselves with too many cover titles too quick. We are building a good solid foundation for a clear researchable database on cards, so kudos to all for being patient and concise with your information. I currently have about 200 cover titles awaiting approval in the add cover title queue as of 11/10/2008. I approved something like 20-30 of those today, and will probably do the same tomorrow. If there's a specific set you wish to work on until completed that's in the add cover title queue, PM me and I'll put a rush on it's approval. Again, I feel that the key to this going smoothly is not getting too big too quickly. The Marvel Universes have come along quite nicely. I'm excited to go to the office tomorrow and see what goodies await addition! :)

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:10:05 GMT

Marvel Masterpieces 1992 (Series 1).... They have a factory set in a tin (I know where that goes), but inside that tin was a 5 card special set called the "Lost Marvels". I think we should add a subset for these individually too. Some people break them out of the set, and collect them spearately (I have a set, and no Tin to go with them). Thoughts?

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:21:02 GMT

Sounds great but just make a note on each card's entry that they only came together in the tin.

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:16:11 GMT

Just a heads up to anyone working with non-numbered promos or such. Currently (Per MrMiracle), the database does not support more than one non-numbered issue/card/whatever per title. Can we mention something about this in the guidelines and just add include info in the Bio that it is non-numbered?

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:56:41 GMT

[quote=scotteaves]Just a heads up to anyone working with non-numbered promos or such. Currently (Per MrMiracle), the database does not support more than one non-numbered issue/card/whatever per title. Can we mention something about this in the guidelines and just add include info in the Bio that it is non-numbered?[/quote] Yes, I will gladly add that, and thanks for the heads-up.

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:13:09 GMT

ANYONE WORKING ON MARVEL MASTERPIECES.... I just started a thread for you guys. [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=13654]MARVEL MASTERPIECES ADDITIONS - The Official Thread[/url] If you're working on those cover titles, please check out that forum please - thanks!

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:32:18 GMT

I think the "Subset" thing is a bad idea. When I go to add a new title in the software under comics, you don't have story arcs listed. You can't choose "Death of Superman" when you want to add titles to your collection. "Subsets" should be treated like story arcs -- added info in the bio of each item.

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:45:05 GMT

[quote=Xylob]I think the "Subset" thing is a bad idea. When I go to add a new title in the software under comics, you don't have story arcs listed. You can't choose "Death of Superman" when you want to add titles to your collection. "Subsets" should be treated like story arcs -- added info in the bio of each item.[/quote] Subset have to be separate because a subset will have the same numbers that the regular set does, and you can't have two #1's. Also, they really are different sets.

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:11:45 GMT

[quote=ntkeith][quote=Xylob]I think the "Subset" thing is a bad idea. When I go to add a new title in the software under comics, you don't have story arcs listed. You can't choose "Death of Superman" when you want to add titles to your collection. "Subsets" should be treated like story arcs -- added info in the bio of each item.[/quote] Subset have to be separate because a subset will have the same numbers that the regular set does, and you can't have two #1's. Also, they really are different sets.[/quote] Thanks for the input, Xy. That's pretty much the reasoning behind the SET and SUBSET designation. 1) Different cards can't stand in the same location twice in the software. We would literally be added cards that are numbered #1 as #201 or something, and we want to try to avoid that. 2) Subsets have different values and ratios at point of purchase. The purpose of chase subsets is supplement your base, but you don't have to have them for your collection to be complete. Otherwise, they would number them as stated in example #1. You are right that story arcs need to be added when applicable, but it's going to be hit or miss with subsets since not all subsets have anything to do with a story arc. Personally, the entire set of "Return of Superman" Trading Cards should have the story arc "Return of Superman" or "Reign of the Supermen" or even both attached to it if the cards mirror events that happen in the series. SO, if you're adding cards that have something to do with a story arc, don't forget to attach it to that arc! Thanks!

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:42:04 GMT

[quote=The_Valiant_One] You guys nailed it on the head - NON-SPORT, NON-GAMING....use your own judgement. DC Cosmic Teams? Ok. Upper Deck NFL? Not ok. Garbage Pail Kids? Ok. Pokemon? Not ok. They will have a place at some point in the future....but not now. [/quote] Except for the Pokemon Movie/TV/Manga cards? There are Non-gaming Pokemon cards.

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:46:36 GMT

For Subsets that deal with Chase Cards in specific ratios, should we put the ratio in the Cover Desc of each card and/or in the Cover Title Desc for the whole listing? As well, if there's just 1 Card in a Cover Title, where should the ratio go?

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:13:41 GMT

[quote=Batman007]For Subsets that deal with Chase Cards in specific ratios, should we put the ratio in the Cover Desc of each card and/or in the Cover Title Desc for the whole listing? As well, if there's just 1 Card in a Cover Title, where should the ratio go?[/quote] I'm going to say that it should go in the Cover Desc of each card based on the response I got to a very similar question. Personally, I think any limited SET (Base, Chase, etc) should somehow be noted in both the Cover Title as well as the cards.

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:17:13 GMT

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:20:00 GMT

[quote=petebyrnejr][quote=The_Valiant_One] You guys nailed it on the head - NON-SPORT, NON-GAMING....use your own judgement. DC Cosmic Teams? Ok. Upper Deck NFL? Not ok. Garbage Pail Kids? Ok. Pokemon? Not ok. They will have a place at some point in the future....but not now. [/quote] Except for the Pokemon Movie/TV/Manga cards? There are Non-gaming Pokemon cards.[/quote] Right-o. Anything that has game mechanics is not currently accepted.

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:22:25 GMT

[quote=Batman007]For Subsets that deal with Chase Cards in specific ratios, should we put the ratio in the Cover Desc of each card and/or in the Cover Title Desc for the whole listing? As well, if there's just 1 Card in a Cover Title, where should the ratio go?[/quote] Thanks for reminding me on this one Bats. Put the ratio information in hard brackets in the cover title descrption for the time being. That'll be in the guidelines. I would have said that the CAPTION or BIO is ok for that originally, but this is different since they ALL have large specific ratios per set. All ratios, for now, one card or not, put in hard brackets. GUIDELINES UPDATED.

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:37:22 GMT

[quote=The_Valiant_One][quote=Batman007]For Subsets that deal with Chase Cards in specific ratios, should we put the ratio in the Cover Desc of each card and/or in the Cover Title Desc for the whole listing? As well, if there's just 1 Card in a Cover Title, where should the ratio go?[/quote] Thanks for reminding me on this one Bats. Put the ratio information in hard brackets in the cover title descrption for the time being. That'll be in the guidelines. I would have said that the CAPTION or BIO is ok for that originally, but this is different since they ALL have large specific ratios per set. All ratios, for now, one card or not, put in hard brackets. GUIDELINES UPDATED. [/quote] Just to be clear, each card gets this, not just the set title, right?

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:38:46 GMT

OK, I used the search feature and couldn't find anything on this posted so far. I think we can all agree that cards are a completely different animal than comics. I think there should be 2 image spots for cards -- front & back. 99% of the time it's pointless for comics as the back is just a generic ad that's on every title that week. Though I'm still less than thrilled about the current stand on wrap-around covers! With cards, the back and front are almost always different on every single card -- both sides make the card what it is. The current guidelines state "The image must be an exact, but packaged representation of the card - preferably of the FRONT ONLY in VERTICAL FORMAT.". Who is to say what the "FRONT" of the card is? JimboJones may enter a card into the database with a scan of one side, and Xylob the Jerkoff comes along and thinks that the other side is the 'front' and replaces Jimbo's image with the other side. After all, Jimbo thinks the side with the big purty picture is most important and therefore the front of the card, but Xylob is a data maniac and thinks the side with all the stats is far more important and therefore the 'front'. Get me?

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:43:54 GMT

[quote=Xylob]I think we can all agree that cards are a completely different animal than comics. I think there should be 2 image spots for cards -- front & back. [/quote] You are right (and this could possibly happen in the future), but decisions made a long time ago stop this from being as simple as "add another {whatever}".

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:44:39 GMT

[quote=ntkeith][quote=The_Valiant_One][quote=Batman007]For Subsets that deal with Chase Cards in specific ratios, should we put the ratio in the Cover Desc of each card and/or in the Cover Title Desc for the whole listing? As well, if there's just 1 Card in a Cover Title, where should the ratio go?[/quote] Thanks for reminding me on this one Bats. Put the ratio information in hard brackets in the cover title descrption for the time being. That'll be in the guidelines. I would have said that the CAPTION or BIO is ok for that originally, but this is different since they ALL have large specific ratios per set. All ratios, for now, one card or not, put in hard brackets. GUIDELINES UPDATED. [/quote] Just to be clear, each card gets this, not just the set title, right?[/quote] Sorry....Information goes into the cover TITLE description in hard brackets. Not the Caption or Cover Description. Ex: Fleer 1994 (20 Cards) [1:18 packs]

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:59:24 GMT

so I'm guessing that submitting an image like this would be a no-no: [img]http://home.comcast.net/~xylob/Pics/test.jpg[/img]

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:03:29 GMT

[quote=MrMiracle][quote=Xylob]I think we can all agree that cards are a completely different animal than comics. I think there should be 2 image spots for cards -- front & back. [/quote] You are right (and this could possibly happen in the future), but decisions made a long time ago stop this from being as simple as "add another {whatever}". [/quote] If we are going with both sides scanned in at anytime, I think consideration should be made to watermarking (something I think so go on right now, as this is going to be the only place on the net to find this many images.) Watermarking would be more important with both sides, to prevent forgery and help with liabilities (why buy the cards when you get all the info at CCL).

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:04:00 GMT

[quote=Xylob]so I'm guessing that submitting an image like this would be a no-no: [img]http://home.comcast.net/~xylob/Pics/test.jpg[/img][/quote] The resize the system does would make that look terrible.

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:04:22 GMT

[quote=Xylob]OK, I used the search feature and couldn't find anything on this posted so far. I think we can all agree that cards are a completely different animal than comics. I think there should be 2 image spots for cards -- front & back. 99% of the time it's pointless for comics as the back is just a generic ad that's on every title that week. Though I'm still less than thrilled about the current stand on wrap-around covers! With cards, the back and front are almost always different on every single card -- both sides make the card what it is. The current guidelines state "The image must be an exact, but packaged representation of the card - preferably of the FRONT ONLY in VERTICAL FORMAT.". Who is to say what the "FRONT" of the card is? JimboJones may enter a card into the database with a scan of one side, and Xylob the Jerkoff comes along and thinks that the other side is the 'front' and replaces Jimbo's image with the other side. After all, Jimbo thinks the side with the big purty picture is most important and therefore the front of the card, but Xylob is a data maniac and thinks the side with all the stats is far more important and therefore the 'front'. Get me?[/quote] Actually, I DO totally get you. Without getting too wound up in politics surrounding the software, here's what we're looking at: Basically, I have to figure out a way to make a system that currently catalogues comics into a system that catalogues action figures into a system that catalogs cards. There are certain fields in place designed to hold certain data, and some we have changed the name (cover description to caption) in order to be used for multi-purpose additions (i.e. you wouldn't call the front of an action figure a "Cover", so "Cover Description wouldn't be quite accurate. Who's to say what comprises the cover? I will answer that, but I can't at the moment because that will take a little time. I will say from a software standpoint that the reason the front AND back of the card is not represented is because of the exact same reasons why Wraparound covers aren't currently accepted, and that's because the uploading of the image doesn't give us a good solid look. I had to use the tools in front of me to make this work, and it's the best I could do. 2 ways to get around that on your end: 1) Remember, in your local software, you can add a scan of the the back, (or the front ;) ) to your db using one of the three images you can add. 2) You can still make the data available on each card by typing it in the Item Bio. Use my vintage GIJOE action figures as a point of reference, using the filecard information for data. Hope that helps, boss!

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:06:04 GMT

[quote=ntkeith][quote=Xylob]so I'm guessing that submitting an image like this would be a no-no: [img]http://home.comcast.net/~xylob/Pics/test.jpg[/img][/quote] The resize the system does would make that look terrible.[/quote] Correct. See my post above. The same image size for cards is used in comics. Hence the reason why we don't accept wraparounds.

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:07:26 GMT

[quote=ntkeith] [img]http://home.comcast.net/~xylob/Pics/test.jpg[/img] The resize the system does would make that look terrible.[/quote] True 'nuff - the few wrap-around covers still in the database don't look so hot...

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:12:03 GMT

[quote=The_Valiant_One]...You can still make the data available on each card by typing it in the Item Bio....[/quote] http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/ChangeRequest/ReviewDetail.aspx?id=e7ade6df-27be-4dfa-a95d-5add79ce0afe&type=0&target=1 ;-) ;-)

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:13:26 GMT

[quote=Xylob][quote=The_Valiant_One]...You can still make the data available on each card by typing it in the Item Bio....[/quote] http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/ChangeRequest/ReviewDetail.aspx?id=e7ade6df-27be-4dfa-a95d-5add79ce0afe&type=0&target=1 ;-) ;-) [/quote] =d> =d> =d> [b][i]Good man! One step ahead of me[/i]![/b] =d> =d> =d>

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:15:44 GMT

Comic Images [b][i]GHOST RIDER set of 45 cards complete[/i][/b]! Nice work Philli!

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:16:38 GMT

yeah, you must have mad scanner skills! I got a good scanner, but it's S-L-O-W... Thinking about scanning as many as will fit on the bed at once and then cropping down and saving pieces off of the "main" scan.

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:37:02 GMT

[quote=Xylob]The current guidelines state "The image must be an exact, but packaged representation of the card - preferably of the FRONT ONLY in VERTICAL FORMAT.". Who is to say what the "FRONT" of the card is? JimboJones may enter a card into the database with a scan of one side, and Xylob the Jerkoff comes along and thinks that the other side is the 'front' and replaces Jimbo's image with the other side. After all, Jimbo thinks the side with the big purty picture is most important and therefore the front of the card, but Xylob is a data maniac and thinks the side with all the stats is far more important and therefore the 'front'. Get me?[/quote] Not on this one. There is a front and back to every card and it's easy to define - common sense. Name and big image on front. Number, bio, small image, copyright and other legal small print, etc. Heck, even some of the double sided cards (the Upper Deck Loony Toons cards come in mind) are easy too. The smaller numbered side is the front as they are designed to tell a story when lined up in a 3x3 grid. I just can't imagine this ever coming into question.

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:38:40 GMT

[quote=Xylob]yeah, you must have mad scanner skills! I got a good scanner, but it's S-L-O-W... Thinking about scanning as many as will fit on the bed at once and then cropping down and saving pieces off of the "main" scan.[/quote] I was able to scan and crop two 100 card sets in just under 2 hours. One card at a time, but on my scanner, once the scan range is set, it only takes 25 seconds or so to put one on, final scan and pull it off.

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:18:38 GMT

We also need a rule for handling uncut sheets. I think these should be like subsets/promos, their own title. Saving room for them in the main title doesn't make sense, since there is sometimes 1 sheet and sometimes multiple sheets.

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:33:45 GMT

I'd like to stake a claim on the "DC Cosmic Teams" cards, I'll try to get as many in tonight as I can the rest tomorrow.

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:41:11 GMT

[quote=ntkeith]We also need a rule for handling uncut sheets. I think these should be like subsets/promos, their own title. Saving room for them in the main title doesn't make sense, since there is sometimes 1 sheet and sometimes multiple sheets.[/quote] Hey NTKieth - actually uncut sheets are in the guidelines already: [b][i]Uncut Sheets 1) Uncut Sheets are to be put in their own cover title in the same manner as the promos and subsets. Ex: Valiant Era: Series 1 (Uncut sheet) Note: Uncut promo cards are NOT considered UNCUT SHEETS. Uncut sheets represent the SET AS A WHOLE[/i].[/b] That was one I DID try to forsee. :-d

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:43:47 GMT

D'oh, that's what I get for being illiterate. Someday I'll learn to read, and write.

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:43:51 GMT

[quote=barney]I'd like to stake a claim on the "DC Cosmic Teams" cards, I'll try to get as many in tonight as I can the rest tomorrow.[/quote] They're yours, and I think Xylob's doing the DC Cosmic Cards Set, so you two have your work [b]cut[/b] out for you! [b][i]PRE-CUT[/i] [/b]that is!!! \:d/ :~> :-| :~< (:|

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:44:28 GMT

[quote=ntkeith]D'oh, that's what I get for being illiterate. Someday I'll learn to read, and write.[/quote] Not a problem, my friend ;)

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:46:39 GMT

[quote=The_Valiant_One][quote=barney]I'd like to stake a claim on the "DC Cosmic Teams" cards, I'll try to get as many in tonight as I can the rest tomorrow.[/quote] They're yours, and I think Xylob's doing the DC Cosmic Cards Set, so you two have your work [b]cut[/b] out for you! [b][i]PRE-CUT[/i] [/b]that is!!! \:d/ :~> :-| :~< (:| [/quote] OK, you lost it. Try plenty of red meat, the more steak in your steak the better. I still haven't eaten today, so I guess taking my own advice would be a good idea.

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:16:41 GMT

:-&

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:00:25 GMT

Finally finished cropping all 226 cards for the True Crime series! Can't wait to start adding them.

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Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:05:50 GMT

[quote=vacantpassenger]Finally finished cropping all 226 cards for the True Crime series! Can't wait to start adding them.[/quote] You're so lazy, I think keith has got you beat by a few thousand cards! You're all talk until we see some Submissions. Who cares about homework, hop to it!

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Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:03:06 GMT

Recommended way to pad your stats (like I did) is finding complete sets online with all the images, setting up AutoHotKey to handle the repetitive field input, and a Crop/Trim/Resize macro in Photoshop to get it all done with little work. New one I just did is getting voice recognition software to work to read in the back of the cards, with little typing. Man this Vista thing is such a great tool. LOL Then kick back and learn to fly.

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Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:14:46 GMT

[quote=ntkeith]Recommended way to pad your stats (like I did) is finding complete sets online with all the images, setting up AutoHotKey to handle the repetitive field input, and a Crop/Trim/Resize macro in Photoshop to get it all done with little work. New one I just did is getting voice recognition software to work to read in the back of the cards, with little typing. Man this Vista thing is such a great tool. LOL Then kick back and learn to fly.[/quote] DANG! You go, MAN! =d>

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Wed, 12 Nov 2008 06:06:33 GMT

[quote=ntkeith] Then kick back and learn to fly.[/quote] [img]http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/a/00000001.gif[/img] :))

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Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:16:00 GMT

Based on a recommendation Batman007 originally made in another thread, I'd like to suggest using the following numbering scheme when dealing with non-numbered cards in a set. Obviously, you can't set them as non-numbered (or lettered) using the current CR system for new items. Once they are submitted with normal numbering, change them in CR2 to "nn", "nn1", "nn2", etc. What's everyone's opinion on that?

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Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:26:37 GMT

[quote=scotteaves]Based on a recommendation Batman007 originally made in another thread, I'd like to suggest using the following numbering scheme when dealing with non-numbered cards in a set. Obviously, you can't set them as non-numbered (or lettered) using the current CR system for new items. Once they are submitted with normal numbering, change them in CR2 to "nn", "nn1", "nn2", etc. What's everyone's opinion on that?[/quote] Thoughts? And I apologize for my lack of attention in the forum today. New book day AND lots of CRS (mostly adding new cards =d> ) I'll have more time to look over stuff this afternoon. ALSO, good job BATS on the SANDMAN sets, and kudos to PHILLI on the GHOST RIDER sets. Philli, one question on the Ghost Rider (Glow Set). Is this a subset of Series 2? If so, it needs to read (Glow Subset). That's all I got!

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Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:27:21 GMT

[quote=SpidermanCavy][quote=ntkeith] Then kick back and learn to fly.[/quote] [img]http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/a/00000001.gif[/img] :)) [/quote] Yeah, no doubt - and good work on those Marvel Series IV man, keep it up!

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Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:47:04 GMT

[quote=The_Valiant_One] Yeah, no doubt - and good work on those Marvel Series IV man, keep it up![/quote] Thank you sir. I should definitely have them all entered by Friday afternoon and starting on the Masterpieces series 2 base set (if it isn't already completed). Thanks to Keith for taking the lead on that one and filling the gaps I have (I'm missing 6 cards in that base set).

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Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:48:45 GMT

[quote=scotteaves]Based on a recommendation Batman007 originally made in another thread, I'd like to suggest using the following numbering scheme when dealing with non-numbered cards in a set. Obviously, you can't set them as non-numbered (or lettered) using the current CR system for new items. Once they are submitted with normal numbering, change them in CR2 to "nn", "nn1", "nn2", etc. What's everyone's opinion on that?[/quote] While not against this idea, we should also put in a standardizing of how we do end up ordering them, or else a large set of unnumbered is begging for duplicates due to disorganization. How about adding on to your idea and saying "ordered alphabetically by title on front of card, or if no title on front, title on back"? Of course if any other obvious ordering exists inside a set, say like story order, that would overwrite this. This rule is more for the "free-for-all" sets.

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Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:45:18 GMT

I'll go with whatever. Personally I like alphabetical but if there's a story order to contend with then that should trump all. On a different note but still within the Trading Card World, I currently have 2 Submissions for what I thought should be Subsets. Have a look at [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/ChangeRequest/ReviewDetail.aspx?id=ebea8271-ce9c-4634-aa69-169f33fafa7d&type=0&target=0]THIS[/url] submission as well as [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/ChangeRequest/ReviewDetail.aspx?id=80881095-b5a1-454d-89ad-9e44c3b85c55&type=0&target=0]THIS[/url] one. They're the exact same minus 1 card but the only reason why I Submitted them as Subsets was because they're just Silver Foil Versions of the Gold Foil Chase Cards and I just assumed they'd be their own Subset like the Gold Foil ones are supposed to be. Including them with the Promos seems weird to me because these were not giveaways in comics or magazines, they were a special limited set and they say Prototype on the back unlike the Promo Cards which have their own unique Letter/Numbering system. Any ideas? I'm eager to get these in and finish the Sandman Series and move on to the Vertigo ones.

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Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:22:57 GMT

[quote=Batman007]I'll go with whatever. Personally I like alphabetical but if there's a story order to contend with then that should trump all. On a different note but still within the Trading Card World, I currently have 2 Submissions for what I thought should be Subsets. Have a look at [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/ChangeRequest/ReviewDetail.aspx?id=ebea8271-ce9c-4634-aa69-169f33fafa7d&type=0&target=0]THIS[/url] submission as well as [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/ChangeRequest/ReviewDetail.aspx?id=80881095-b5a1-454d-89ad-9e44c3b85c55&type=0&target=0]THIS[/url] one. They're the exact same minus 1 card but the only reason why I Submitted them as Subsets was because they're just Silver Foil Versions of the Gold Foil Chase Cards and I just assumed they'd be their own Subset like the Gold Foil ones are supposed to be. Including them with the Promos seems weird to me because these were not giveaways in comics or magazines, they were a special limited set and they say Prototype on the back unlike the Promo Cards which have their own unique Letter/Numbering system. Any ideas? I'm eager to get these in and finish the Sandman Series and move on to the Vertigo ones. [/quote] If the Endless Gallery are the same cards as the subset you already have in, wouldn't that be a variant of those cards, like a Wizard World cover on a comic (X-Men: Worlds Apart #1 springs to mind)? if they are the same card, I vote variants. If they are different in content (pictures, not stamping of Prototype), then separate sets. Also, difference between Promo and Prototype.......I see your point Batman, accuracy would draw the line. But we could also go with uniform data over accuracy, and sometimes that sacrifice has to happen (wait until these 3 sets of Masterpieces get in, and we get back to naming those sets discussion, which I think The_Valiant_One sees coming, and has a plan).

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Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:14:01 GMT

They are the exact same except they are Silver Foil and have the word Prototype printed on the back of the card. Unlike the actual Promo cards, these have the character bios on the back whereas the Promo cards (which are duplicates to a few of the cards in the Base Set) have different backs which talk about the cards series and the special Chase cards. Because there's 7 of the Sandman ones and 6 of the Vertgio ones, I figured this qualified them to be listed as a Subset, but a Subset separate from the Gold Foil because the Silver one could NOT be obtained through purchase or by buying packs.

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Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:07:46 GMT

[quote=SwiftMann][quote=Xylob]yeah, you must have mad scanner skills! I got a good scanner, but it's S-L-O-W... Thinking about scanning as many as will fit on the bed at once and then cropping down and saving pieces off of the "main" scan.[/quote] I was able to scan and crop two 100 card sets in just under 2 hours. One card at a time, but on my scanner, once the scan range is set, it only takes 25 seconds or so to put one on, final scan and pull it off.[/quote] At what quality, Swift?

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Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:09:15 GMT

[quote=Batman007][quote=vacantpassenger]Finally finished cropping all 226 cards for the True Crime series! Can't wait to start adding them.[/quote] You're so lazy, I think keith has got you beat by a few thousand cards! You're all talk until we see some Submissions. Who cares about homework, hop to it![/quote] Wooooooow! Calling me out, huh? We'll see soon enough! >:) Now if only someone could get those requests approved... hmmm....:-k

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Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:51:22 GMT

****COMMUNITY OPINION NEEDED*** Now that I see some examples, I think we need a good set of rules for variants/parallels/etc. If a subset of 9 cards comes in 3 different types (say the Marvel Masterpieces Series 3 Holofoils, where the Silver were in hobby packs, Bronze in Wal-Mart packs, and Gold in Jumbo packs), I put this series in as variants of each other. Yet, the Gold Foil variants got a title of their own, and not listed as variants of the main set. My opinion, is that this is right. Full set variants are their own title, subsets are all listed under one title with A, B, C, etc. Thoughts?

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Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:08:28 GMT

[quote=ntkeith]****COMMUNITY OPINION NEEDED*** Now that I see some examples, I think we need a good set of rules for variants/parallels/etc. If a subset of 9 cards comes in 3 different types (say the Marvel Masterpieces Series 3 Holofoils, where the Silver were in hobby packs, Bronze in Wal-Mart packs, and Gold in Jumbo packs), I put this series in as variants of each other. Yet, the Gold Foil variants got a title of their own, and not listed as variants of the main set. My opinion, is that this is right. Full set variants are their own title, subsets are all listed under one title with A, B, C, etc. Thoughts?[/quote] I made (and had approved) 2 seperate cover titles for the Gold foil cards in Amazing Spider-Man that could be considered variants of the Clear Animation Cell Cards. 6 Cards from Wal-Mart and 6 Cards from Jumbo Packs. I think these would be considered seperate subsets as they are obtained from a different source and are not (technically) the same cards.

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Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:14:11 GMT

[quote=crackerjack1][quote=ntkeith]****COMMUNITY OPINION NEEDED*** Now that I see some examples, I think we need a good set of rules for variants/parallels/etc. If a subset of 9 cards comes in 3 different types (say the Marvel Masterpieces Series 3 Holofoils, where the Silver were in hobby packs, Bronze in Wal-Mart packs, and Gold in Jumbo packs), I put this series in as variants of each other. Yet, the Gold Foil variants got a title of their own, and not listed as variants of the main set. My opinion, is that this is right. Full set variants are their own title, subsets are all listed under one title with A, B, C, etc. Thoughts?[/quote] I made (and had approved) 2 seperate cover titles for the Gold foil cards in Amazing Spider-Man that could be considered variants of the Clear Animation Cell Cards. 6 Cards from Wal-Mart and 6 Cards from Jumbo Packs. I think these would be considered seperate subsets as they are obtained from a different source and are not (technically) the same cards.[/quote] This has been handled. Add them as variants. We don't put separate variants for comics in different cover titles, same thing here. The extra cover title for the subset has been cannabalized into the cover title for sealed boxes. :) Sorry it took a while to get a handle on that one, and thanks NT for pointing that out.

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Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:17:10 GMT

[quote=vacantpassenger] Now if only someone could get those requests approved... hmmm....:-k [/quote] Sorry Vacant... I posted this a couple days ago: [b][i]I currently have about 200 cover titles awaiting approval in the add cover title queue as of 11/10/2008. I approved something like 20-30 of those today, and will probably do the same tomorrow. If there's a specific set you wish to work on until completed that's in the add cover title queue, PM me and I'll put a rush on it's approval[/i].[/b] You're off and running Vacant. What are you standing around here from? LET'S SEE SOME CARDBOARD CONTROVERSY!!! >:) Can't wait to see this set.

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Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:17:17 GMT

[quote=crackerjack1]I think these would be considered separate subsets as they are obtained from a different source and are not (technically) the same cards.[/quote] Pretty much sums up my thoughts on it too.

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Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:17:37 GMT

But we do keep full set parallels as separate titles, right? Gold Foil signatures, 90 card gold sets, etc.

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Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:18:42 GMT

[quote=SwiftMann][quote=crackerjack1]I think these would be considered separate subsets as they are obtained from a different source and are not (technically) the same cards.[/quote] Pretty much sums up my thoughts on it too.[/quote] Nevermind... CCL has spoken. :-d

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Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:37:52 GMT

[quote=SwiftMann][quote=SwiftMann][quote=crackerjack1]I think these would be considered separate subsets as they are obtained from a different source and are not (technically) the same cards.[/quote] Pretty much sums up my thoughts on it too.[/quote] Nevermind... CCL has spoken. :-d [/quote] Sorry! >:d<

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Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:38:19 GMT

[quote=ntkeith]But we do keep full set parallels as separate titles, right? Gold Foil signatures, 90 card gold sets, etc.[/quote] Yes, those are different cards entirely based on front and back.

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Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:53:01 GMT

[quote=The_Valiant_One][quote=vacantpassenger] Now if only someone could get those requests approved... hmmm....:-k [/quote] Sorry Vacant... I posted this a couple days ago: [b][i]I currently have about 200 cover titles awaiting approval in the add cover title queue as of 11/10/2008. I approved something like 20-30 of those today, and will probably do the same tomorrow. If there's a specific set you wish to work on until completed that's in the add cover title queue, PM me and I'll put a rush on it's approval[/i].[/b] You're off and running Vacant. What are you standing around here from? LET'S SEE SOME CARDBOARD CONTROVERSY!!! >:) Can't wait to see this set. [/quote] Believe me, Valiant, I know you're busy! I just felt like busting some chops! ;-) Honestly, I dont know why these were so controversial. Remember, these were from the days when people were thinking about banning Mortal Kombat. Whether they're still controversial today or not, some of these cards are pretty frickin' kickass!

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Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:12:47 GMT

Where do uncut sheets get filed? For the Sandman series there were multiple versions of uncut 6 Card panels (not all the cards in one giant uncut sheet) as well as 2 versions of an uncut 4 Card panel, one of which was numbered serially to 4,444. I know nothing about how each of these were sold or given away but I have photos of some of the different 6 card variations and information as to what cards make up the uncut sheets.

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Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:37:50 GMT

Depends on if they are considered promos or not. I never considered limited number sheets of smaller uncut sheets, but they are out there. Suggestions? Currently the guidelines define an uncut sheet as a FULL SET of cards. Thoughts?

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Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:02:35 GMT

I have a couple of cards that I think I'm going to have a hard time being approved and even classified. They are both Shi cards. They were released exclusively at the 1995 New York Comic Book Spectacular. One has a normal art front. The other has a silver prism "O" about 1/3" from the edge. I cannot find these listed, and they are part of no set, so they would need to be listed by themselves. How can I go about being approved for this, and also how would I list it in the title and description to be voted on? Any help would be appreciated. Phil

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Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:14:56 GMT

[quote=GPDCOMICS]I have a couple of cards that I think I'm going to have a hard time being approved and even classified. They are both Shi cards. They were released exclusively at the 1995 New York Comic Book Spectacular. One has a normal art front. The other has a silver prism "O" about 1/3" from the edge. I cannot find these listed, and they are part of no set, so they would need to be listed by themselves. How can I go about being approved for this, and also how would I list it in the title and description to be voted on? Any help would be appreciated. Phil[/quote] Personally, I would create two cover titles in something like this format: [i]Shi (NY Comic Specatcular Promo) Shi (NY Comic Specatcular Silver Prism Promo)[/i] Anyone want to chime in? Thoughts?

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Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:11:24 GMT

[quote=The_Valiant_One][quote=GPDCOMICS]I have a couple of cards that I think I'm going to have a hard time being approved and even classified. They are both Shi cards. They were released exclusively at the 1995 New York Comic Book Spectacular. One has a normal art front. The other has a silver prism "O" about 1/3" from the edge. I cannot find these listed, and they are part of no set, so they would need to be listed by themselves. How can I go about being approved for this, and also how would I list it in the title and description to be voted on? Any help would be appreciated. Phil[/quote] Personally, I would create two cover titles in something like this format: [i]Shi (NY Comic Specatcular Promo) Shi (NY Comic Specatcular Silver Prism Promo)[/i] Anyone want to chime in? Thoughts?[/quote]I know nothing about cards, so I'm looking at this like I would comics. If the pictures are different then I agree with what you said, but if the cards are the same except for the prism then I would make the prism card a variant.

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Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:16:21 GMT

[quote=comicscastle][quote=The_Valiant_One][quote=GPDCOMICS]I have a couple of cards that I think I'm going to have a hard time being approved and even classified. They are both Shi cards. They were released exclusively at the 1995 New York Comic Book Spectacular. One has a normal art front. The other has a silver prism "O" about 1/3" from the edge. I cannot find these listed, and they are part of no set, so they would need to be listed by themselves. How can I go about being approved for this, and also how would I list it in the title and description to be voted on? Any help would be appreciated. Phil[/quote] Personally, I would create two cover titles in something like this format: [i]Shi (NY Comic Specatcular Promo) Shi (NY Comic Specatcular Silver Prism Promo)[/i] Anyone want to chime in? Thoughts?[/quote]I know nothing about cards, so I'm looking at this like I would comics. If the pictures are different then I agree with what you said, but if the cards are the same except for the prism then I would make the prism card a variant.[/quote] Because this kind of a 'one-shot' card, and you can verify there's nothing else in the set, then yeah, techincally, I don't see why it also couldn't be added as a variant, with the core of the cover title being something close to the suggestion above. Spot on, Pat!

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Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:38:02 GMT

I agree with your suggestion that the prism should be a variant. It is the same card with the prism "O" on the front. Tucci made this one card just for the show. It goes with no other set he had out, which were chromium I believe. Phil

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Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:06:28 GMT

I am still lost on a set being a variant or a separate subset. I can't tell the line. We did the 1994 Marvel Masterpieces as variants (silver were regular, bronze in Wal-Mart packs, gold in jumbo packs). The 1994 Masterpiece Gold Foil Signatures were a separate set. Sandman was separate titles, even though the cards have the same differences than this set. And now the 2007 Masterpiece case toppers are a request separate title because they were case toppers, and not in packs?? Help me to get this. Call me slow, but I can't get my head around this, the rulings seem arbitrary. A comic that is regularly released, that has a 1:15 completely different looking cover, and a convention only cover are in the DB as A-B-C variants. Where is this any different? Not being in a pack doesn't seem to be good enough to demand a new title when the content is the same.

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Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:46:30 GMT

[quote=ntkeith] Help me to get this. Call me slow, but I can't get my head around this, the rulings seem arbitrary. A comic that is regularly released, that has a 1:15 completely different looking cover, and a convention only cover are in the DB as A-B-C variants. Where is this any different? Not being in a pack doesn't seem to be good enough to demand a new title when the content is the same.[/quote] As with when you first asked about this - I'm on the fence. I see your point of them being variants and agree to a point. Where I run into the thought they should be separate is: if I knew I wanted the bronze version from Walmart what would make me look to find it as a variant based on the title? A collector looking to buy a card from a CCL store might run a title search based on bronze and/or Walmart in addition to Marvel Masterpieces. Would having them separate potentially make it easier to make sales? Most of the card collectors I know think a bit differently than comic collectors when it comes to variants of sets. They will often search more on what makes it a variant (foil, silver, gold, store limited to) than just by a specific title. I'm with you that this needs to be consistent - whichever way it goes.

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Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:05:36 GMT

[quote=ntkeith]I am still lost on a set being a variant or a separate subset. I can't tell the line. We did the 1994 Marvel Masterpieces as variants (silver were regular, bronze in Wal-Mart packs, gold in jumbo packs). The 1994 Masterpiece Gold Foil Signatures were a separate set. Sandman was separate titles, even though the cards have the same differences than this set. And now the 2007 Masterpiece case toppers are a request separate title because they were case toppers, and not in packs?? Help me to get this. Call me slow, but I can't get my head around this, the rulings seem arbitrary. A comic that is regularly released, that has a 1:15 completely different looking cover, and a convention only cover are in the DB as A-B-C variants. Where is this any different? Not being in a pack doesn't seem to be good enough to demand a new title when the content is the same.[/quote] Hey NT - thanks for your input. Basically, remember that we are taking a software that is designed to handle COMIC BOOKS and making TRADING CARDS work for it, so we have to use the same fields to keep info that may or may not fit exactly right. Remember, CCL's guidelines are just that, GUIDELINES, not RULES. We have to make hard and fast changes sometimes. For example, CCL doesn't consider barcodes for comics variants per the guidelines, HOWEVER, if the comic has considerable market value (like the Gold Mcfarlane Spider-Man with the barcode) then we include it. The only reason I suggested making them separate cover titles was because there is no set for the cards. They are unique in their...uniqueness. LOL! We can put them under one cover title, or we can put them in two. One reason we don't mix cards like Gold-Foil Signature Sets and Regular Base Sets as variants is so we won't confuse some of our stores when listing, AND it's easier to keep track of in this manner. Sure, the only difference in them is a signature, but I felt the whole set deserved it's own cover title because it was going to be a pain in the butt to try to complete it....hence it's rarity. So again, I'm open to either. Scott makes the point for us about the searchability of a card set as well. Since the Subsets were small in number, we went ahead with the addition of them as variants of each other. Was it the right call? Still early to tell, but so far so good! Remember, these cards are now going on 8 days in the CCLdb. We're reinventing the wheel, and I'm rolling this bad boy. I depend on each and everyone of you to make your thoughts known. Just remember my eventual rulings are for the best presentable way for the data since I'm so close to the designers here at the CCL offices. :) Thanks!

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Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:56:41 GMT

I really am not saying "Your doing it all wrong, EPIC FAIL!". I'm looking to understand so I know which go which way. Really, I personally like less sets and more variants listed, but I'd be fine with everything being separate. Full set parallels I think everyone agrees with, separate sets. Variant parallels, I just see that we have a few different ways already, and I'd like to make sure what I submit is not going to have to be later changed (we know anything that requires the Merge Tool will be a great hassle.) I just re-read the Guidelines, I think we need a section that helps define which get their own set. If the rule is 'those not found in packs', OK, but we need that rule. Can everyone look at [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/CoverTitle.aspx?id=92d50c99-293b-42b2-a38d-040fdc8b8cdd]1994 Marvel Masterpieces Holofoil Subset[/url], and comment if this is done right? So far, I haven't seen any others that have gone like this, as variants.

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Sat, 15 Nov 2008 03:21:05 GMT

Sorry to do this but I never got an answer from CCL: BUMP! Where do uncut sheets get filed? For the Sandman series there were multiple versions of uncut 6 Card panels (not all the cards in one giant uncut sheet) as well as 2 versions of an uncut 4 Card panel, one of which was numbered serially to 4,444. I know nothing about how each of these were sold or given away but I have photos of some of the different 6 card variations and information as to what cards make up the uncut sheets.

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Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:39:36 GMT

[quote=ntkeith]I really am not saying "Your doing it all wrong, EPIC FAIL!". I'm looking to understand so I know which go which way. Really, I personally like less sets and more variants listed, but I'd be fine with everything being separate. Full set parallels I think everyone agrees with, separate sets. Variant parallels, I just see that we have a few different ways already, and I'd like to make sure what I submit is not going to have to be later changed (we know anything that requires the Merge Tool will be a great hassle.) I just re-read the Guidelines, I think we need a section that helps define which get their own set. If the rule is 'those not found in packs', OK, but we need that rule. Can everyone look at [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/CoverTitle.aspx?id=92d50c99-293b-42b2-a38d-040fdc8b8cdd]1994 Marvel Masterpieces Holofoil Subset[/url], and comment if this is done right? So far, I haven't seen any others that have gone like this, as variants.[/quote] LOL! No man, PLEASE don't misunderstand my comment above. I know you weren't attacking the data. It's all good! ;-) No Epic Fails here, my friend! Just good times! I guess what I'm saying is that it's like taking you guys on a trip and giving directions. At this point, it's still so new that I can't 100% say, "Take Johns Street to Waid Boulevard and your destination is two buildings on the right." Right now, my general directions at this point: "Go East until you come to a street that starts with a 'J'". :) Remember these guidelines CAN'T be rules. Just a framework FOR rules. It's always been this way. One of the reasons we opted to move the Trading Cards over here into the forum was for faster update and comment as well as the sheer VASTNESS of the Guidelines was too much for the newbies. This forum is truly the most interactive we've had, and kudos to you, NT for staying on top of all this and helping me out. Kudos to everyone in fact. My decision is this because it seems to be overwhelming, but I am leaving an option open here as a golden parachute, so the guidelines will be updated as such: GIMMICK/"Chase" CARDS CCL defines "Gimmick Cards" as cards with something extra that makes them more collectible. Typically chase cards are distributed per pack ratio. Most of these will also be considerd CHASE cards: Ex: Holofoil Cards EX: Stamped Cards Ex: Gold or Silver Bordered Cards Gimmick or "Chase" cards will first recieve their own cover title as a SUBSET seperate from the Base Set. List each card in the database as close to representative of the number on the back in an add issue. Example: A Hologram numbered "M-3" should go in as issue #3 of the Subset Cover Title. *NOTE: Some gimmick cards are gimmicks of themselves. In other words, a card with gold-foil border might be identical to another card with silver-foil border. If the ratio of a gold-bordered chase is equal to the silver-bordered chase, then they are entered in the CCLdb as VARIANTS. Ex: If Wal-Mart sells packs with exclusive silver chase cards 1:5 packs, but Target sells the same packs with exclusive bronze chase cards at the same ratio of 1:5 packs, then list them as variants of each other. If the silver chase were 1:5 packs and the bronze were 1:10 packs, then you would give them each their own cover title. Scarcity/Printing will trump this. Even there is only one card produced to promote an impending set, and one case promo is created and then a silver foil one is also created, but we can verify that the silver foil one has print run that's less than the other, put those in separate cover titles. Also commented on CASE TOPPERS. These will ALWAYS be their own cover title. GUIDELINES UPDATED!

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Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:52:24 GMT

[quote=Batman007]Sorry to do this but I never got an answer from CCL: BUMP! Where do uncut sheets get filed? For the Sandman series there were multiple versions of uncut 6 Card panels (not all the cards in one giant uncut sheet) as well as 2 versions of an uncut 4 Card panel, one of which was numbered serially to 4,444. I know nothing about how each of these were sold or given away but I have photos of some of the different 6 card variations and information as to what cards make up the uncut sheets.[/quote] Hey Bats - were they purchaseable or promotional? Definition of Uncut Sheets per the guidelines state that uncut sheets should be representative of the whole set. Use your own discretion when adding these: simply create a cover title called Sandman (4-Card Panel Sheets) or Sandman (6-Card Panel Sheets) and list the serial-numbered info in hard brackets. Try not to call them flat out "uncut sheets". This is being looked at in CR for a 4-card panel right now sitting in the queue. But if these 6-Card panel sheets were simply promos given out at various locations, then they should go under the "PROMO" cover title. Even the sequentially-numbered one.

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Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:31:52 GMT

[quote=ntkeith]Can everyone look at [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/CoverTitle.aspx?id=92d50c99-293b-42b2-a38d-040fdc8b8cdd]1994 Marvel Masterpieces Holofoil Subset[/url], and comment if this is done right? So far, I haven't seen any others that have gone like this, as variants.[/quote] I think it looks good - but it would be nice to see something mentioning the source for them in the card description. Bronze = Walmart, gold = Jumbo packs (I think those were the examples you used back a number of posts), etc. Based on Valiant's Guidelines update, they may be perfectly fine - if the ratios are the same. Ratios aren't always that easy to find though if the wrappers aren't around and a source can't be found online. Heck, Topps doesn't reliably post that info on their website for new sets!

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Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:01:31 GMT

[quote=The_Valiant_One] Hey Bats - were they purchaseable or promotional? Definition of Uncut Sheets per the guidelines state that uncut sheets should be representative of the whole set. Use your own discretion when adding these: simply create a cover title called Sandman (4-Card Panel Sheets) or Sandman (6-Card Panel Sheets) and list the serial-numbered info in hard brackets. Try not to call them flat out "uncut sheets". This is being looked at in CR for a 4-card panel right now sitting in the queue. But if these 6-Card panel sheets were simply promos given out at various locations, then they should go under the "PROMO" cover title. Even the sequentially-numbered one. [/quote] Yeah see I just don't know if they were for sale or all promos or just the 6 Card Panels were or if only the 4 Card Panel that's numbered was sold and the unnumbered 4 Card Panel was a Promo. I've seem a bunch of images of multiple versions of the 6 Card panels. I think it's best to Submit the new Cover Titles as you suggested as many people view an uncut sheet as a full sized poster with ALL of the cards in a series so I will go ahead and do that.

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Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:01:12 GMT

[quote=Batman007][quote=The_Valiant_One] Hey Bats - were they purchaseable or promotional? Definition of Uncut Sheets per the guidelines state that uncut sheets should be representative of the whole set. Use your own discretion when adding these: simply create a cover title called Sandman (4-Card Panel Sheets) or Sandman (6-Card Panel Sheets) and list the serial-numbered info in hard brackets. Try not to call them flat out "uncut sheets". This is being looked at in CR for a 4-card panel right now sitting in the queue. But if these 6-Card panel sheets were simply promos given out at various locations, then they should go under the "PROMO" cover title. Even the sequentially-numbered one. [/quote] Yeah see I just don't know if they were for sale or all promos or just the 6 Card Panels were or if only the 4 Card Panel that's numbered was sold and the unnumbered 4 Card Panel was a Promo. I've seem a bunch of images of multiple versions of the 6 Card panels. I think it's best to Submit the new Cover Titles as you suggested as many people view an uncut sheet as a full sized poster with ALL of the cards in a series so I will go ahead and do that.[/quote] Awesome Bats - thanks! Good communication!

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Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:51:40 GMT

I know binders go under the main title for the card set - but where should the card (often a promo) that may come with the binder go? I thought I saw it mentioned under Promos section of the guidelines at one point, but I don't see it there now.

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Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:40:55 GMT

It goes in the (Promo) Cover Title for the set it's a part of. I listed the [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/Issue.aspx?id=71c95f94-b5ec-401c-b98f-3d1ac0732669]OVERSIZED CHROMIUM[/url] card that came with the [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/Issue.aspx?id=e47ce3ee-0336-4cb0-98f6-0c463129a09e]SANDMAN COLLECTOR ALBUM[/url] under the [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/CoverTitle.aspx?id=9210e8eb-d7ca-4bde-9c50-c64bb13522de]SANDMAN TRADING CARD (PROMO) COVER TITLE[/url]. In 2.0 I changed its number to nn (because it's not numbered) and noted in the Bio that is comes with the Album.

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Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:25:54 GMT

[quote=Batman007]It goes in the (Promo) Cover Title for the set it's a part of. I listed the [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/Issue.aspx?id=71c95f94-b5ec-401c-b98f-3d1ac0732669]OVERSIZED CHROMIUM[/url] card that came with the [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/Issue.aspx?id=e47ce3ee-0336-4cb0-98f6-0c463129a09e]SANDMAN COLLECTOR ALBUM[/url] under the [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/CoverTitle.aspx?id=9210e8eb-d7ca-4bde-9c50-c64bb13522de]SANDMAN TRADING CARD (PROMO) COVER TITLE[/url]. In 2.0 I changed its number to nn (because it's not numbered) and noted in the Bio that is comes with the Album.[/quote] Thanks Bats - that's what I thought, but I wanted to double check. Valiant - might want to note that in the guidelines (if it isn't already there). I didn't see it last night when I looked thru.

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Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:12:36 GMT

What about cross-over event checklist cards like this? [img]http://home.comcast.net/~xylob/Pics/2K1.jpg[/img]

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Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:26:03 GMT

I would think its own Cover Title of Armageddon 2001 Checklist (Promo). Cover Title Desc would be DC 2001 (1 Card) and Story Arc would be Armageddon 2001 and you have 1 Character.

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Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:02:34 GMT

but which side is the "front"???? In this case I'd almost say the checklist side, as that is in fact the whole purpose of the card. I guess I'll add the Waverider side as the front though, as it could just as easily be argued that the whole purpose of the card is to promote the story arc.

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Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:50:43 GMT

I think the Waverider side is the front as the copyright info is usually on the back of the card. Plus, I agree with your reasoning of the whole purpose of the card.

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Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:37:13 GMT

[quote=Xylob]but which side is the "front"???? In this case I'd almost say the checklist side, as that is in fact the whole purpose of the card. [color=blue]I guess I'll add the Waverider side as the front though, as it could just as easily be argued that the whole purpose of the card is to promote the story arc.[/color][/quote] [quote=Batman007][color=blue]I think the Waverider side is the front as the copyright info is usually on the back of the card.[/color] Plus, I agree with your reasoning of the whole purpose of the card.[/quote] I have to take these two statements as the best reasoning for the Waverider side being the front. Also keep it mind that the checklist could always be added to the item bio, so the the purpose of the card isn't left out in the dust.

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Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:14:55 GMT

The Waverider side is clearly the front.

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Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:18:33 GMT

I have a question about uncut sheets. In Bats case, they are defined as 4 or 6 panel, and can be identified as such. But what about the case where you have an uncut sheet from a set. Sometimes the whole set is not on the sheet. Sometimes more than a set is on the sheet. How will this be listed? For example, I have an uncut sheet from the first Star Wars Galaxy series. I haven't looked at it for awhile, but I believe it was not the whole set. So how would I list such an item? Phil

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Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:43:55 GMT

Yeah I've come across these in doing research. For all we know, these are the result of someone cutting uncut sheets to get at key cards or just to break up the set in 4 cards lots or something of the sort. Originally I thought they should go under the Generic Cover Title as another item since there was no real record of them unless they came up for sale on some site and technically they are Factory somethings because they're uncut. But then I thought it'd just be too confusing with the verified Uncut Promo Sheets being listed under (Promo). So my opinion is to just put it in (Promos)... or Generic... :-/

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Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:05:18 GMT

[quote=GPDCOMICS]I have a question about uncut sheets. In Bats case, they are defined as 4 or 6 panel, and can be identified as such. But what about the case where you have an uncut sheet from a set. Sometimes the whole set is not on the sheet. Sometimes more than a set is on the sheet. How will this be listed? For example, I have an uncut sheet from the first Star Wars Galaxy series. I haven't looked at it for awhile, but I believe it was not the whole set. So how would I list such an item? Phil[/quote] Generally, a page of uncut cards that isn't a full set, unless something extrodinary, I would wager is promotional.

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Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:53:37 GMT

Is it too much to ask that people try and edit their spelling? I don't mind fixing stuff since I am a teacher, but simple mistakes are being typed on many of the card back descriptions with these additions. My suggestion is to type the description in MS Word, then at least it will give you a red underline stating you spelled something wrong. Then copy/paste it into the CCL program. As for the uncut sheet, when I get to it (think it's upstairs in a room), I'll look to see if it's a full set or not. I can't remember where I got it, but it was some time ago when I still had my store. Phil

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Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:33:01 GMT

[quote=GPDCOMICS]Is it too much to ask that people try and edit their spelling? I don't mind fixing stuff since I am a teacher, but simple mistakes are being typed on many of the card back descriptions with these additions. My suggestion is to type the description in MS Word, then at least it will give you a red underline stating you spelled something wrong. Then copy/paste it into the CCL program.[/quote] Or if you're making mass Submissions, at least just make a note on your first few that you're going back to 2.0 to fix things. I made a bunch of errors on my Sandman Submissions but I went back and proofed every card as I made my fixes and additions. People, even though this is just CCL and you're not getting graded, this is the real world, spelling still counts.

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Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:36:39 GMT

[quote=GPDCOMICS]Is it too much to ask that people try and edit their spelling?...[/quote] Now, in the 21st century? Yes. Apparently nobody knows how to spell anymore. Worse, most are too lazy to click 1 little button to check their spelling. ~x( It's a lost art to be sure.

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Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:48:40 GMT

[quote=Xylob][quote=GPDCOMICS]Is it too much to ask that people try and edit their spelling?...[/quote] Now, in the 21st century? Yes. Apparently nobody knows how to spell anymore. Worse, most are too lazy to click 1 little button to check their spelling. ~x( It's a lost art to be sure.[/quote] Too bad Word still misses words that are spelled correctly - but are the wrong ones.

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Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:32:18 GMT

[quote=GPDCOMICS]Is it too much to ask that people try and edit their spelling?...[/quote] I thought Approvers were here to clean this up? OK, jk.

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Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:45:57 GMT

The X-Force (Promo) set, shouldn't this be renamed? The cards in there are from X-Force #1 comic, not the X-Force card set made by Comic Images. I think calling this set (Promo) is misleading, but I don't have a better name. Anyone out there with a good idea and time to submit a change request?

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Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:39:23 GMT

If no one else is using Microsoft Speech to do the card backs, you really are missing out on a treat. Beyond it typing, it learns what you meant (I can say Magneto and it has learned), but you also get to say "Only her relationship with Daredevil has given her peace" and it will type "Only her relationship with Daredevil has given herpes". BONUS!!!

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Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:22:05 GMT

Well I can type pretty fast but my new monitor doesn't cast as much light on my keyboard like my old one so I miss every now and then. If the cards are printed by Marvel then it's a different publisher with the same name. If they're printed by Comic Images then how about X-Force (X-Force #1 Subset)?

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Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:40:01 GMT

[quote=Batman007]Well I can type pretty fast but my new monitor doesn't cast as much light on my keyboard like my old one so I miss every now and then. If the cards are printed by Marvel then it's a different publisher with the same name. If they're printed by Comic Images then how about X-Force (X-Force #1 Subset)?[/quote] They are done by Impel, a totally different set. The 90-card set was in packs, only had autographs as subsets (plus one Liefeld auto card), but I don't know that set very well (until my boxes come on Friday). But the 5 card set that is from the comics is like the Marvel Annual inserts. I just can't figure out a good name for the set.

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Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:09:26 GMT

[quote=Batman007]Well I can type pretty fast but my new monitor doesn't cast as much light on my keyboard like my old one so I miss every now and then.[/quote] Same here, but usually if the text is fairly long, I'll copy/past it into word. Or if it's afterwords and I use CR 2.0 to edit my subnmissions, I do it through my Firefox which has an automatic spellcheck.

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Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:58:25 GMT

[quote=ntkeith][quote=GPDCOMICS]Is it too much to ask that people try and edit their spelling?...[/quote] I thought Approvers were here to clean this up? OK, jk.[/quote] Oh, you're funny. b-)

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Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:54:56 GMT

[quote=SpidermanCavy][quote=Batman007]Well I can type pretty fast but my new monitor doesn't cast as much light on my keyboard like my old one so I miss every now and then.[/quote] Same here, but usually if the text is fairly long, I'll copy/past it into word. Or if it's afterwords and I use CR 2.0 to edit my subnmissions, I do it through my Firefox which has an automatic spellcheck.[/quote] like "subnmissions"? ;-) That's got a redline in Firefox for me!

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Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:39:14 GMT

Star Wars Galaxy: Series 4 has 2 different P1 promo cards. I already added one and submitted the second as a variant. SwiftMann said it shouldn't be a variant if the card image is different. Both cards have different images and both were from different sources, so how should they be submitted since they have the same number? any ideas?

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Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:41:54 GMT

[quote=scotteaves][quote=SpidermanCavy][quote=Batman007]Well I can type pretty fast but my new monitor doesn't cast as much light on my keyboard like my old one so I miss every now and then.[/quote] Same here, but usually if the text is fairly long, I'll copy/past it into word. Or if it's afterwords and I use CR 2.0 to edit my subnmissions, I do it through my Firefox which has an automatic spellcheck.[/quote] like "subnmissions"? ;-) That's got a redline in Firefox for me![/quote] I do most of my forum posting from work.. lol.. we use IE. My submissions are done from home. ;-)

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Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:06:11 GMT

I corrected the X-Factor #73 card under X-Men Series 1(Impel) in CR2. Just needs to be approved.

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Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:08:14 GMT

[quote=Philli]I corrected the X-Factor #73 card under X-Men Series 1(Impel) in CR2. Just needs to be approved.[/quote] Done.

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Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:34:37 GMT

Question, Valiant: Would books that collect the trading cards themselves by reprinting them be accepted into the database?

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Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:57:43 GMT

[quote=vacantpassenger]Question, Valiant: Would books that collect the trading cards themselves by reprinting them be accepted into the database?[/quote] Not to step in front of Valiant here, but I gotta think they would be. We have the comics that collect the cards ([url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/CoverTitle.aspx?id=e1b2ba8c-9924-4e6d-ac53-49cae5a781ec]1992 Marvel Masterpieces[/url], [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/CoverTitle.aspx?id=1e9d5e52-1839-4f0d-80d5-448e3de13691]1993 Marvel Masterpieces[/url], [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/Issue.aspx?id=ce8ae9f1-6064-4df4-9d21-9bca2172a14c]X-Men Ultra 3[/url], [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/CoverTitle.aspx?id=71ffd9c3-8f0f-480c-a062-f8994c34e40b]1994 X-Men Ultra[/url]. What are the books? I am personally interested in what is out there.

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Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:10:32 GMT

[quote=ntkeith][quote=vacantpassenger]Question, Valiant: Would books that collect the trading cards themselves by reprinting them be accepted into the database?[/quote] Not to step in front of Valiant here, but I gotta think they would be. We have the comics that collect the cards ([url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/CoverTitle.aspx?id=e1b2ba8c-9924-4e6d-ac53-49cae5a781ec]1992 Marvel Masterpieces[/url], [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/CoverTitle.aspx?id=1e9d5e52-1839-4f0d-80d5-448e3de13691]1993 Marvel Masterpieces[/url], [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/Issue.aspx?id=ce8ae9f1-6064-4df4-9d21-9bca2172a14c]X-Men Ultra 3[/url], [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/CoverTitle.aspx?id=71ffd9c3-8f0f-480c-a062-f8994c34e40b]1994 X-Men Ultra[/url]. What are the books? I am personally interested in what is out there.[/quote] If these are there, I guess what I'm talking about would be accepted too. it's basically like a TPB but with images of the cards, for example: http://milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=list&title=90083047477&snumber=1

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Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:13:34 GMT

[quote=vacantpassenger][quote=ntkeith][quote=vacantpassenger]Question, Valiant: Would books that collect the trading cards themselves by reprinting them be accepted into the database?[/quote] Not to step in front of Valiant here, but I gotta think they would be. We have the comics that collect the cards ([url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/CoverTitle.aspx?id=e1b2ba8c-9924-4e6d-ac53-49cae5a781ec]1992 Marvel Masterpieces[/url], [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/CoverTitle.aspx?id=1e9d5e52-1839-4f0d-80d5-448e3de13691]1993 Marvel Masterpieces[/url], [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/Issue.aspx?id=ce8ae9f1-6064-4df4-9d21-9bca2172a14c]X-Men Ultra 3[/url], [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/CoverTitle.aspx?id=71ffd9c3-8f0f-480c-a062-f8994c34e40b]1994 X-Men Ultra[/url]. What are the books? I am personally interested in what is out there.[/quote] If these are there, I guess what I'm talking about would be accepted too. it's basically like a TPB but with images of the cards, for example: http://milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=list&title=90083047477&snumber=1[/quote] Oh absolutely they would go in - just not in the card section! :)

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Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:32:28 GMT

[quote=The_Valiant_One][quote=vacantpassenger][quote=ntkeith][quote=vacantpassenger]Question, Valiant: Would books that collect the trading cards themselves by reprinting them be accepted into the database?[/quote] Not to step in front of Valiant here, but I gotta think they would be. We have the comics that collect the cards ([url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/CoverTitle.aspx?id=e1b2ba8c-9924-4e6d-ac53-49cae5a781ec]1992 Marvel Masterpieces[/url], [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/CoverTitle.aspx?id=1e9d5e52-1839-4f0d-80d5-448e3de13691]1993 Marvel Masterpieces[/url], [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/Issue.aspx?id=ce8ae9f1-6064-4df4-9d21-9bca2172a14c]X-Men Ultra 3[/url], [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/CoverTitle.aspx?id=71ffd9c3-8f0f-480c-a062-f8994c34e40b]1994 X-Men Ultra[/url]. What are the books? I am personally interested in what is out there.[/quote] If these are there, I guess what I'm talking about would be accepted too. it's basically like a TPB but with images of the cards, for example: http://milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=list&title=90083047477&snumber=1[/quote] Oh absolutely they would go in - just not in the card section! :) [/quote] Thanks, Steve-o!

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Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:51:37 GMT

[quote=vacantpassenger][quote=The_Valiant_One][quote=vacantpassenger][quote=ntkeith][quote=vacantpassenger]Question, Valiant: Would books that collect the trading cards themselves by reprinting them be accepted into the database?[/quote] Not to step in front of Valiant here, but I gotta think they would be. We have the comics that collect the cards ([url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/CoverTitle.aspx?id=e1b2ba8c-9924-4e6d-ac53-49cae5a781ec]1992 Marvel Masterpieces[/url], [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/CoverTitle.aspx?id=1e9d5e52-1839-4f0d-80d5-448e3de13691]1993 Marvel Masterpieces[/url], [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/Issue.aspx?id=ce8ae9f1-6064-4df4-9d21-9bca2172a14c]X-Men Ultra 3[/url], [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/CoverTitle.aspx?id=71ffd9c3-8f0f-480c-a062-f8994c34e40b]1994 X-Men Ultra[/url]. What are the books? I am personally interested in what is out there.[/quote] If these are there, I guess what I'm talking about would be accepted too. it's basically like a TPB but with images of the cards, for example: http://milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=list&title=90083047477&snumber=1[/quote] Oh absolutely they would go in - just not in the card section! :) [/quote] Thanks, Steve-o![/quote] De nada amigo!

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Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:16:59 GMT

Here's a topic that I haven't seen discussed on here - and if it has been and I missed it, I appologize. I know that we have a seperate heading for items that go with the cards (full packs/boxes/binders) but would Dealer Sell sheets also be listed here or are they not going into the database?

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Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:33:17 GMT

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Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:33:51 GMT

[quote=scotteaves]Star Wars Galaxy: Series 4 has 2 different P1 promo cards. I already added one and submitted the second as a variant. SwiftMann said it shouldn't be a variant if the card image is different. Both cards have different images and both were from different sources, so how should they be submitted since they have the same number? any ideas?[/quote] anyone?

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Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:30:13 GMT

[quote=scotteaves][quote=abydosorphan]Here's a topic that I haven't seen discussed on here - and if it has been and I missed it, I appologize. I know that we have a seperate heading for items that go with the cards (full packs/boxes/binders) but would Dealer Sell sheets also be listed here or are they not going into the database?[/quote] I keep meaning to ask the same question. I'm leaning towards them being in the Promo title.[/quote] That was my main question.. IF they're going in the database they could fit in either the main category with binders, etc. OR the promo section. Either way I need to edit the items for the categories I've already started on.

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Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:15:54 GMT

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Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:22:36 GMT

[quote=ntkeith]My vote is promo. They are intended to be promotional, and the promo title for each set isn't bound by how many items.[/quote] Speaking of which, I think we need to change many of the Promo sets from # Cards to # Items. The 5x7 or 6x10 prints aren't cards, so Items would be better verbiage. Any takers?

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Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:44:35 GMT

I agree to that one, in fact I have been listing the title with cards and packs as Items, promos as Items if they contain more than cards, and prints as Prints to match up with the media.

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Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:46:53 GMT

[quote=SwiftMann]Speaking of which, I think we need to change many of the Promo sets from # Cards to # Items. The 5x7 or 6x10 prints aren't cards, so Items would be better verbiage. Any takers?[/quote] That would work for me. There are many oversized 'cards' that are promos for various SG1 items/seasons that I wasn't entirely sure where to put and figured I would try and figure that out as I got to them, but if we included it all under 'promo' [item] then that would work for those as well as sell sheets.

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Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:55:21 GMT

I actually enjoy correcting people. Not only because I'm a teacher, since I've only been doing this 3 years, but with everything. I drive my wife crazy with correcting. But I don't necessarily have time to fix everyone's entries. I'll do what I can. :) Phil

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Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:08:21 GMT

[quote=GPDCOMICS]I actually enjoy correcting people. Not only because I'm a teacher, since I've only been doing this 3 years, but with everything. I drive my wife crazy with correcting. But I don't necessarily have time to fix everyone's entries. I'll do what I can. :) Phil[/quote] Please continue doing exactly what you're doing. I thought I was the only one who cared about spelling and making CCL look trustworthy and reliable, dare I say, professional. You'd be surprised at the responses I've gotten that these are just comics and who cares. Well I do and I'm sorry but I wouldn't trust a website with tons of misspellings and shaky grammar. In 2.0 spelling can be corrected and I have done so many times (even on my own Submissions). Your comments are so helpful!

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Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:04:20 GMT

I agree with the idea that a site should look professional with little to no mistakes. I've seen many entries for artists/writers where there are duplicates because of a small spelling error. I've submitted a few, based on the comics I own and how they are spelled in the credits. I have a couple of questions since I'm still new to this place. Only 1 month activity so far. I've surprised myself with over 9000 contributor points. Now to get more sales and increase my rating. Anyway, all those "invalid" entries are going to be removable? It's annoying to see all those invalid things. Also, is there a way to be more specific with characters. I wanted to put the Three Stooges last names and was rejected. Larry by itself is too broad and probably pertains to several comic book characters. Also, I recently updated some Dark Horse Comics issues that had several small stories, and The Mark was in a few. I put down Mark as the character, but Mark probably refers to several different comic characters too. I know this is off topic from trading cards, but I think that putting something like Larry (Three Stooges) would be more appropriate if I'm not getting accepted for Larry Fine. I may bring this up with a huge post because I have more concerns. Back to the trading cards, I keep seeing ??? in description entries. Is there a problem with CCL with the ' coming from another program? It seems to be converting the ' to ???. I mentioned it in a few of the Punisher trading card entries and the submitter seemed a bit confused too. Phil

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Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:10:56 GMT

It's a Text issue when you copy and paste from websites. The apostrophes show up like ???. The way around it is to open Notepad and Paste there then just recopy from Notepad and into a Submission. I typed a fresh Bio in Word and it still turned them into ???. I think it's something called a true font or something like that. Anyways. The rest is a CCL call and probably best posted in a character thread.

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Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:36:55 GMT

I have a question about sealed packs and boxes. I don't know if this has been covered in this thread, since I don't have time to read it all, but I didn't see it in the guidelines on the first page. My question is, should inserts with odds of receiving them be listed in the description of packs and boxes? I think it's a good idea for those who are thinking of purchasing said items and want to know what their chances of getting them in the packs are. I may be getting a little too detailed, but I personally would find the info useful if buying the product. Phil

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Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:07:09 GMT

[quote=GPDCOMICS]I have a question about sealed packs and boxes. I don't know if this has been covered in this thread, since I don't have time to read it all, but I didn't see it in the guidelines on the first page. My question is, should inserts with odds of receiving them be listed in the description of packs and boxes? I think it's a good idea for those who are thinking of purchasing said items and want to know what their chances of getting them in the packs are. I may be getting a little too detailed, but I personally would find the info useful if buying the product. Phil[/quote] We are putting that info in the Subsets themselves, but I don't see why you couldn't put it in the "Item Bio" field, since some of the time it is printed on the packs, and some packs have different odds (Hobby/Retail/Jumbo). More info is good info, just not junk info.

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Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:18:36 GMT

If it was on the wrapper I put it in the Bio for the sealed Pack. Left the legal text and copyright info out. Also, for Sandman, there was the offer for the Binder so I noted that.

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Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:27:15 GMT

[quote=GPDCOMICS]I have a question about sealed packs and boxes. I don't know if this has been covered in this thread, since I don't have time to read it all, but I didn't see it in the guidelines on the first page. My question is, should inserts with odds of receiving them be listed in the description of packs and boxes? I think it's a good idea for those who are thinking of purchasing said items and want to know what their chances of getting them in the packs are. I may be getting a little too detailed, but I personally would find the info useful if buying the product. Phil[/quote] It wasn't something in the first day or two that got done, but currently, you can add the ratio of the card by using hard brackets in the cover title description field, so it comes out looking like this generic example: Fleer 1995 (10 Cards) [1:10 Packs] Hope that helps, and you keep up the good work GPD! You're doing great!

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Sat, 22 Nov 2008 23:53:44 GMT

[quote=scotteaves][quote=scotteaves]Star Wars Galaxy: Series 4 has 2 different P1 promo cards. I already added one and submitted the second as a variant. SwiftMann said it shouldn't be a variant if the card image is different. Both cards have different images and both were from different sources, so how should they be submitted since they have the same number? any ideas?[/quote] anyone?[/quote] I would have to say I disagree with Swiftmann on this one. Variants in comics are defined by the same number, but with visual differences, as with these cards. For example, a "standard" issue versus it's SDCC version. Both have the same number, yet usually different (even slightly) covers, and come from different sources.

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Sun, 23 Nov 2008 00:08:40 GMT

[quote=abydosorphan]Here's a topic that I haven't seen discussed on here - and if it has been and I missed it, I appologize. I know that we have a seperate heading for items that go with the cards (full packs/boxes/binders) but would Dealer Sell sheets also be listed here or are they not going into the database?[/quote] I'm not saying that these items should not go into the database, HOWEVER, a dealer sell sheet is basically a mini- to full sized advertising poster. If these are added under the "Promo" or Main title for the trading cards, then wouldn't we have to go back and add such titles for the comics, action figures, etc. catagories where dealer sell sheets promoting these items also exist?

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Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:44:57 GMT

[quote=abydosorphan]Here's a topic that I haven't seen discussed on here - and if it has been and I missed it, I appologize. I know that we have a seperate heading for items that go with the cards (full packs/boxes/binders) but would Dealer Sell sheets also be listed here or are they not going into the database?[/quote] I am playing around with the idea of adding Sell/Ad slicks in the db, simply by the collectability of them. If they DO get added, they will be added in the generic cover title where you'd find the binders, packs, sealed boxes, so you would be correct. Let me talk with Joe about it tomorrow.

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Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:58:10 GMT

[quote=The_Valiant_One][quote=abydosorphan]Here's a topic that I haven't seen discussed on here - and if it has been and I missed it, I appologize. I know that we have a seperate heading for items that go with the cards (full packs/boxes/binders) but would Dealer Sell sheets also be listed here or are they not going into the database?[/quote] I am playing around with the idea of adding Sell/Ad slicks in the db, simply by the collectability of them. If they DO get added, they will be added in the generic cover title where you'd find the binders, packs, sealed boxes, so you would be correct. Let me talk with Joe about it tomorrow. [/quote] What about including them in the Promo category, since that is what they are put out for, Promotion.

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Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:22:43 GMT

[quote=petebyrnejr][quote=scotteaves][quote=scotteaves]Star Wars Galaxy: Series 4 has 2 different P1 promo cards. I already added one and submitted the second as a variant. SwiftMann said it shouldn't be a variant if the card image is different. Both cards have different images and both were from different sources, so how should they be submitted since they have the same number? any ideas?[/quote] anyone?[/quote] I would have to say I disagree with Swiftmann on this one. Variants in comics are defined by the same number, but with visual differences, as with these cards. For example, a "standard" issue versus it's SDCC version. Both have the same number, yet usually different (even slightly) covers, and come from different sources.[/quote] I would vote that anything with the same number is a variant, those lacking numbering would not be (I know this is not your case, but adding to my rule before others draw up this point.) You have a clear number on yours, and if you do not do a variant but instead but it elsewhere (like a different title,), people will mistakenly add to "P1" and not check which "P1". I have this problem with about half of my orders on CCL Marketplace, where dealers just lump them in the A variant. But at least there, it is not the fault of the software, it is the sellers not paying attention to the detail. But our variant/different title rules here are clear as mud, as half the time we are throwing them wherever they stick. I think Variants need a HUGE description section in the Guidelines, as that will clear up half the questions. I see the following questions needing to be answered... - Does a card have to contain 100% same content but only very minor variation to be a variant, and not a new title? (My vote...No. 1992 Marvel Masterpieces wave two promotional cards of Wolverine, with the same fronts but completely different backs, with one having the same as the set #98 except stamped lightly 'Prototype', the other with an advertisement back and no number. I think these are separate, not variants, because numbers do not match. But I think they should both be under the (Promo) title, not separate titles. I feel Promo and Prototype are the same, unless the set repeats numbering, like 2007 Marvel Masterpieces.) - Do the card backs have to be the same to be considered for variant, or do differences negate variant consideration? (Some differences are enough for different titles. 2007 Marvel Masterpieces have a variant set for each of the inserts of X-Men and Spider-Man, but they are separate sets because they are printed with different manufactures (Fleer vs SkyBox), and therefore they can match the title fields by being together. So if a variant changes the title info, it has to be separate.) - Do same numbers automatically grant variant status? (Unless their is something contradictory in manufacture, I say yes. Otherwise there is little organization in the DB and it would be prone to errors.) - Does a different source for the card constitute a new title automatically? (I think source, like Jumbo packs versus Hobby, or convention handout versus packs, is not enough alone to make it a different set. Take the 2008 marvel Masterpieces Movie Die Cut subset. There is 6 cards, numbered Hulk A, Hulk B, and Hulk C (same for Iron Man), but the A cards are in Hobby Packs, and the B/C are in Retail packs. I think these should be the same title, not different ones. Yet the Sandman Endless Gallery was deemed to be two different titles, even though the cards content were the same.) So we need to define this part, given the examples I have stated. And I'm not yelling that I am right, I am showing examples and giving my opinion, based upon what I think make sense to the database and a novice trying to find a card they have.

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Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:05:41 GMT

The X-Men Series 1 cards from 1992 had a full(?) parallel set inserted with action figures. The only distinction that I'm aware of (and as noted on [url=http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/allender/xmen1.htm]Allender's site[/url]) is a light Toy Biz logo on the card back. I'm not sure, nor convinced, there's an entire parallel set out there. Does anyone know for sure? If there is, that makes the entry easy - parallel set. If not, do they go in as variants? [url=http://abs-cards.net/checklists/xmen1.html]This site[/url] notes the following "The Toy Biz cards are the same as regular cards in the set with the exception that the Toy Biz logo is printed in light grey on the card back. [b]These cards came packaged in Toy Biz action figures and were not necessarily related to the action figure itself. Supposedly there is a Toy Biz variant card for each card in the regular set, except the checklist card.[/b]"

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Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:30:45 GMT

[quote=SwiftMann]The X-Men Series 1 cards from 1992 had a full(?) parallel set inserted with action figures. The only distinction that I'm aware of (and as noted on [url=http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/allender/xmen1.htm]Allender's site[/url]) is a light Toy Biz logo on the card back. I'm not sure, nor convinced, there's an entire parallel set out there. Does anyone know for sure? If there is, that makes the entry easy - parallel set. If not, do they go in as variants? [url=http://abs-cards.net/checklists/xmen1.html]This site[/url] notes the following "The Toy Biz cards are the same as regular cards in the set with the exception that the Toy Biz logo is printed in light grey on the card back. [b]These cards came packaged in Toy Biz action figures and were not necessarily related to the action figure itself. Supposedly there is a Toy Biz variant card for each card in the regular set, except the checklist card.[/b]"[/quote] As example, here is a shot of the Deadpool of this parallel set. I don't know enough about the set to be of much help. [img]http://www.ultimatedeadpool.com/collectables/cards/x-men_series1_toy-biz.jpg[/img]

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Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:07:26 GMT

guess the big question is does the regular set have the toy biz watermark on the back like the one above does if not then it would be a parallel set, but if the whole set including the checklist doesn't have that on back then they are variants in my opinion

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Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:38:47 GMT

For sure, the base set does not have that logo. I have the base set. Putting in them as variants, on a base set, would be messy for someone managing their own collection. Parallels of the base have always had their own title, but if there was only 10% of the set that had it, I could see them as variants. I see two sources on the net that state their is a version of these for every card, so I would lean toward a new title. But I don't have an of them to confirm there is enough out there.

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Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:48:20 GMT

[quote=ntkeith]For sure, the base set does not have that logo. I have the base set. Putting in them as variants, on a base set, would be messy for someone managing their own collection. Parallels of the base have always had their own title, but if there was only 10% of the set that had it, I could see them as variants. I see two sources on the net that state their is a version of these for every card, so I would lean toward a new title. But I don't have an of them to confirm there is enough out there.[/quote] This is just my opinion on them, but I like this discussion on the topic - great use of the forum, guys. The cards inserted in the action figures are NOT a full parallel set that I'm aware of. They are simply inserts with, as Sirs pointed, 'Toy Biz Watermarks'. I don't like the idea of adding these in the middle of the cover title of the X-Men Series 1 cards, even thought they are OBVIOUSLY those type of cards. I think that to avoid confusion on these, a new cover title should be made. Something like: [b][i]X-Men: Series 1 (Toy Biz Subset)[/i] [/b] With the numbers being added just as they are listed on the back of the card. What say you guys?

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Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:21:19 GMT

I like. Besides, this way we'll find out just how many of these are really out there. Personally, I only have one of the Toy Biz cards, but it's a start. :-d

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Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:25:54 GMT

sounds cool

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Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:39:00 GMT

[quote=SwiftMann]I like. Besides, this way we'll find out just how many of these are really out there. [color=blue]Personally, I only have one [/color]of the Toy Biz cards, but it's a start. :-d [/quote] That's one more than I have, but I'm not a card guy. Even though I'm not a card guy I have been keeping an eye on things and I have to say I agree with Valiant on this. Good job too in the way this was discussed here in the forums.=d>

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Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:27:13 GMT

[quote=The_Valiant_One]The cards inserted in the action figures are NOT a full parallel set that I'm aware of. They are simply inserts with, as Sirs pointed, 'Toy Biz Watermarks'. I don't like the idea of adding these in the middle of the cover title of the X-Men Series 1 cards, even thought they are OBVIOUSLY those type of cards. I think that to avoid confusion on these, a new cover title should be made. Something like: [b][i]X-Men: Series 1 (Toy Biz Subset)[/i] [/b] With the numbers being added just as they are listed on the back of the card. What say you guys? [/quote] Here here, one more vote for yes. So say we come up with finding out that all 89 are available, which I think all of us doubt, this handles that even before it happens. And it keeps the main set clean, for someone trying to get just the main ones.

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Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:29:23 GMT

[quote=ntkeith][quote=GPDCOMICS]Is it too much to ask that people try and edit their spelling?...[/quote] I thought Approvers were here to clean this up? OK, jk.[/quote] Wow... don't know how I missed this! [-x But still funny!

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Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:01:18 GMT

[quote=The_Valiant_One][quote=ntkeith]For sure, the base set does not have that logo. I have the base set. Putting in them as variants, on a base set, would be messy for someone managing their own collection. Parallels of the base have always had their own title, but if there was only 10% of the set that had it, I could see them as variants. I see two sources on the net that state their is a version of these for every card, so I would lean toward a new title. But I don't have an of them to confirm there is enough out there.[/quote] This is just my opinion on them, but I like this discussion on the topic - great use of the forum, guys. The cards inserted in the action figures are NOT a full parallel set that I'm aware of. They are simply inserts with, as Sirs pointed, 'Toy Biz Watermarks'. I don't like the idea of adding these in the middle of the cover title of the X-Men Series 1 cards, even thought they are OBVIOUSLY those type of cards. I think that to avoid confusion on these, a new cover title should be made. Something like: [b][i]X-Men: Series 1 (Toy Biz Subset)[/i] [/b] With the numbers being added just as they are listed on the back of the card. What say you guys? [/quote] I'm in agreement with that.

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Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:10:56 GMT

Are we supposed to Add Story Arcs from Cards? Seems a bit fishy to me to see "Alpha Flight". "X-Men: Blue Team" and "Original Team" be listed as an Arc. At that point why not just make every character an Arc. There's no Story, no Arc involved. Just Add it to the Cover Desc or the Bio if it doesn't fit in the Cover Desc. The Guidelines are quite clear on this: [b] A story arc is any story title that spans across 2 or more issues, and in this case, that the card is based off of. Be sure to spell correctly, and add a comment when submitting new story arcs.[/b] It's really making the Story Arc Field a mess and those entries don't belong there..

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Tue, 25 Nov 2008 08:11:11 GMT

I agree. There's no such thing as too much information, but there is such a thing as too much in the wrong area.

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Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:33:05 GMT

The idea of putting the intra-set subsets as story arcs was tossed around (and I thought green-lighted by Valiant) somewhere in this forum. Using the ol' standard of "they're getting approved, it must be okay" I'd think CCL is okay with this.

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Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:35:17 GMT

[quote=Batman007]Are we supposed to Add Story Arcs from Cards? Seems a bit fishy to me to see "Alpha Flight". "X-Men: Blue Team" and "Original Team" be listed as an Arc. At that point why not just make every character an Arc. There's no Story, no Arc involved. Just Add it to the Cover Desc or the Bio if it doesn't fit in the Cover Desc. The Guidelines are quite clear on this: [b] A story arc is any story title that spans across 2 or more issues, and in this case, that the card is based off of. Be sure to spell correctly, and add a comment when submitting new story arcs.[/b] It's really making the Story Arc Field a mess and those entries don't belong there..[/quote] I did this specifically with The_Valiant_One, and the ones I added and attached were reviewed specifically. He denied the 'Super Heroes' and 'Super-Villains' ones, but the others are minor runs in the card set. At first, I thought cards should be "Super Heroes: Wolverine" in the Cover Desc, but that was changed to be a story arc field, and just the most general ones denied. For what we have to play with, the Story Arc is very appropriate here. These cards are minor subsets within the card titles, they all are clearly marked this on the front of the card and are not just pulled from info on the cards somewhere. Everyone of the arcs I have added and requested updates on match the front of the card.

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Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:38:53 GMT

BTW, Batman you got this in the thread back on page 5, and Valiant agreed then.

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Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:11:32 GMT

well he still doesn't like it even if Valiant said it was ok LOL

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Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:40:10 GMT

Thank ntkeith, I couldn't find the answer anywhere. Nice to see you can be decent and not take this personally. I'm informed and will go ahead and Approve these from now on. Glad some people can still be constructive when questioned instead of making every thread a way to express their petty grudges. Sirs, why don't you shut the hell up, what the hell do you know anyways? If you could read you'd see that I help off Approving these until I was sure. Why would CCL make me an Approver if I wasn't on board with the Guidelines? Why wouldn't I just Reject Submissions I didn't like based on nothing else but my personal preference? I did a search for Story Arcs with regards to Trading Cards but it was hard enough going through 15 pages of this thread, especially with a Search Function that doesn't work so well. I'm not imposing my will, I'm not telling everyone they're wrong, I'm not even asking a question and then getting told the answer only to bring up a debate because I disagree with the outcome like you've done countless times. Yeah I don't like it but I'm entitled to my opinion but unlike you I leave it at that, not whine and cry that the Guidelines should be changed ad nauseum, something you're all too guilty of doing. Since when am I not entitled to my opinion anyways? I was just looking for clarification since some of these were already Approved by Valiant and are in the Database and I was going through a bunch of Submissions for Approval, something you wouldn't understand. If Valiant (read CCL) sanctioned this then whether or not I disagree with the ruling, I go with it, something you should really learn how to do. Why don't you take the time to actually read things through instead of jumping in at the tail end of them just so you can find any way to say something to me? I mean really, you of all people really shouldn't be lecturing anybody. My question was about the Guidelines as I looked laboriously for the answer and all I found was what's written in the Guidelines. Your response was just lame and offers NO contribution AT ALL! Again, CCL okayed this and I got my answer so I'm dropping it and going ahead with it ntkeith's Changes. You should SERIOUSLY learn how to do this!!! He's the one who made the Submissions and now guess what, I'm going to Approve them since I'm up to speed with the Guidelines. I didn't reject them outright, I posted a comment asking a question. If anyone should be making a snide comment it'd be ntkeith as they're his Submissions I'm questioning but guess what, he didn't even get offended in the slightest. He saw I was asking for clarification and answered in a mature and informative manner because he knows I'm here to help make CCL grow. You on the other hand offered nothing but a feeble jab at me based on something that you know NOTHING about and really has NOTHING to do with you or the question I asked or this thread we're in. Take this as a lesson if you're not too busy trying to find ways to take a stab at me with NOTHING useful to say and NOTHING helpful to offer. I was just asking a question, not trying to start a debate. I got the answer and now I'm moving on. I'm okay with it, Valiant is okay with it, Swift chimed in with some helpful clarification and ntkeith is okay with it so unless you have something constructive to offer, stop wasting our time with your petty grudges. Valiant, please update the Guidelines to reflect the Story Arc Field for Trading Cards. I may not agree with this course of action but I'm going ahead with it despite my personal feelings that it clutters up the Story Arc Field.

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Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:18:50 GMT

[quote=Batman007]...Glad some people can still be constructive when questioned instead of making every thread a way to express their petty grudges.[/quote] [quote=Batman007]Sirs, why don't you shut the hell up, what the hell do you know anyways?[/quote] Indeed. Who could EVER hope to know as much as you? Setting the example for all to look up to. 8-> 8->

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Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:22:18 GMT

You can worry about impressing people and setting examples, I'm dealing with the Data and staying on topic. If you need to find people to look up to well more power to you, try Valiant, he's the coolest and has more patience putting up with people like you. If I knew everything why would I post in this forum asking about the Story Arcs for Trading Cards, huh genius??? You people are so eager to start things while completely ignoring the topics at hand. Oh wait Xylob, guess it's better to butt into things that don't concern you half way in without knowing the full story behind them. Seems like you're the one who thinks he knows everything. Thanks for gracing us with your worthless comments which have NOTHING to do with the topic at hand. Anyways, can we get back to the Topic or is everyone gonna give their opinions on Sirs (and now Xylob's) petty and non-constructive behavior? The subject of this thread is Trading Card Guidelines, something we've all managed to adhere to until Sirs and Xylob decided to grace us with their opinions of me. Well done guys, way to let your personal grudges get in the way of actually getting questions answered! This will really help now that the Guidelines are going to be forum based. If you hate me so much, PM me a bunch of curses or tell me outright what you think of me, don't post it here. I can take it all and I really don't care anyways, but I could always use a good laugh. Now back to Trading Card Guidelines...

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Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:26:40 GMT

Dude I was just joking around. Sure I got a odd sense of humour at times and yes I'll admit I don't word things right most of the time when trying to make a point. Guess I need to work on wording my point more clearly but where all this came from I have no idea, I know I've disagreed with you on numerous things but I thought thats the idea behind the forum to discuss valid reasons/points of view on why a person thinks something should be changed. I've been told even by you that none of the guidelines are written in stone and could change. Thats why I argue when I think something needs to be done differently, if things have changed then maybe I do need to as you say [color=red]"Sirs, why don't you shut the hell up, what the hell do you know anyways?" [/color]Have things changed if so would someone please let me know. I'm not really going to respond to the rest of the rant other than to take your own advice, dude you don't need to take everything I say so personal.

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Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:37:22 GMT

Man, how many times you gonna edit that post? I'm glad to see that, as you have repeatedly stated in so many threads, you're not taking anything personally. I didn't realize that personal attacks were "dealing with the Data and staying on topic". I'll keep that in mind for all time your royal highness.

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Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:39:10 GMT

Good! If it shuts you up and keeps this forum on topic, it's a great idea as nothing you've said has been about the Trading Card Guidelines. =d> And Sirs, after what you've said to me in the past and how you told me you were going to ignore me, how can I take anything that you say to me as a joke? We're not buddies and we're certainly not at a point where we can kid each other, that ship has sailed. I tried that route, I tried to clear the air but you just ignored my PM so I suggest either clearly stating you're joking with me or refrain from doing it with me altogether unless you're willing to receive it in kind, something which you haven't been too receptive to in the recent past.

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Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:45:47 GMT

[quote=Batman007]...nothing you've said has been about the Trading Card Guidelines.[/quote] Except on pages 8 & 9. Wanna borrow my sig? I love you so much. I'm eagerly awaiting your reply that explains how my meager "contributions" are meaningless.

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Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:14:41 GMT

Leave it to a simpleton to take words literally. I meant nothing you've said in response to my question on Story Arcs and Sirs' lame attempt at humor had anything to do with the trading Card Guidelines. Did I ever say nothing you've said anywhere? No I didn't think so! But take everything literally and out of context, no reason to quote anything to its full extent or provide any useful commentary on the thread's topic beyond your personal BS, that's a more valuable contribution by far! Oh and thanks for the praise and love even if it's through sarcasm. Saying something snide about me veiled in sarcasm multiple times surely says more about you and your inability to get to the real point. Better to hide behind a wall or sarcasm instead of saying how you really feel in a direct and intelligent manner. So back on topic (if Xylob is capable), [b]Valiant, I have a question for you:[/b] Since Story Arcs for Trading Cards can now be used for Groups within Sets, but only ones that aren't general like Marvel Villains, Marvel Heroes, and that sort of stuff, should I just Submit all of the Groups for Sandman and Vertigo based on the Checklist's Grouping and then leave it up to you and your discretion as to what will be accepted and what will not? Seems to me that if Alpha Flight, X-Factor and X-Men: Gold Team can be accepted, surely Sandman, Swamp Thing and Hellblazer will be as well.

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Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:55:45 GMT

[quote=Batman007]Thank ntkeith, I couldn't find the answer anywhere. Nice to see you can be decent and not take this personally. I'm informed and will go ahead and Approve these from now on. Glad some people can still be constructive when questioned instead of making every thread a way to express their petty grudges. Sirs, why don't you shut the hell up, what the hell do you know anyways? If you could read you'd see that I help off Approving these until I was sure. Why would CCL make me an Approver if I wasn't on board with the Guidelines? Why wouldn't I just Reject Submissions I didn't like based on nothing else but my personal preference? I did a search for Story Arcs with regards to Trading Cards but it was hard enough going through 15 pages of this thread, especially with a Search Function that doesn't work so well. I'm not imposing my will, I'm not telling everyone they're wrong, I'm not even asking a question and then getting told the answer only to bring up a debate because I disagree with the outcome like you've done countless times. Yeah I don't like it but I'm entitled to my opinion but unlike you I leave it at that, not whine and cry that the Guidelines should be changed ad nauseum, something you're all too guilty of doing. Since when am I not entitled to my opinion anyways? I was just looking for clarification since some of these were already Approved by Valiant and are in the Database and I was going through a bunch of Submissions for Approval, something you wouldn't understand. If Valiant (read CCL) sanctioned this then whether or not I disagree with the ruling, I go with it, something you should really learn how to do. Why don't you take the time to actually read things through instead of jumping in at the tail end of them just so you can find any way to say something to me? I mean really, you of all people really shouldn't be lecturing anybody. My question was about the Guidelines as I looked laboriously for the answer and all I found was what's written in the Guidelines. Your response was just lame and offers NO contribution AT ALL! Again, CCL okayed this and I got my answer so I'm dropping it and going ahead with it ntkeith's Changes. You should SERIOUSLY learn how to do this!!! He's the one who made the Submissions and now guess what, I'm going to Approve them since I'm up to speed with the Guidelines. I didn't reject them outright, I posted a comment asking a question. If anyone should be making a snide comment it'd be ntkeith as they're his Submissions I'm questioning but guess what, he didn't even get offended in the slightest. He saw I was asking for clarification and answered in a mature and informative manner because he knows I'm here to help make CCL grow. You on the other hand offered nothing but a feeble jab at me based on something that you know NOTHING about and really has NOTHING to do with you or the question I asked or this thread we're in. Take this as a lesson if you're not too busy trying to find ways to take a stab at me with NOTHING useful to say and NOTHING helpful to offer. I was just asking a question, not trying to start a debate. I got the answer and now I'm moving on. I'm okay with it, Valiant is okay with it, Swift chimed in with some helpful clarification and ntkeith is okay with it so unless you have something constructive to offer, stop wasting our time with your petty grudges. Valiant, please update the Guidelines to reflect the Story Arc Field for Trading Cards. I may not agree with this course of action but I'm going ahead with it despite my personal feelings that it clutters up the Story Arc Field. [/quote] [b]AHEM[/b]. [i]Guys. Here's the deal, seriously....[/i] Joe had mentioned to me before on comic books that he was actually fine with story arc fields - little more flexibility was going to be ok. Now. That being said. I started getting submissions for story arcs within TRADING CARDS. Things like "Crisis on Infinite Earths", "Secret Wars"...things like that. The addition of story arc fields to trading cards, honestly, are not going to hurt. I'm not sure what the likelyhood of someone coming to search CCL through a story arc for "Generation X"... however, in the LARGE scheme of things, it's not that big a deal. So, the guidelines will be updated. I will look it all over tomorrow. NOW. That being said. I'm going to ask that you guys [b]PLEASE[/b] [i]chill out[/i], and I'm going to have to do it on the forums instead of PM. It's my night off, and I'm supposed to be on the phone with a [b][i]BEAUTIFUL WOMAN [/i][/b]right now, planning a weekend. Instead, I've gotta give you guys stogies and ask you to play nice. For pete's sake, fellas, [b]I'm a comic collector[/b]....it's not like women are beating down my door!! ](*,) Use this thread for CONSTRUCTIVE and NOT DECONSTRUCTIVE discussion (and that's everyone), please. Keep to task. Continue to make those awesome submissions, and stop picking at each other. If you really want to help me, someone find me a scan of a SEALED BOX of SMALLVILLE SEASON ONE and TWO from Inkworks.

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Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:04:12 GMT

Done! I shall obey but I'll pass on the stogie. Here's a [url=http://cgi.ebay.com/SMALLVILLE-SEASON-2-TWO-FACTORY-SEALED-TRADING-CARD-BOX_W0QQitemZ280198754231QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116]SEASON TWO BOX[/url] and here's [url=http://cgi.ebay.com/Smallville-Season-1-Trading-Cards-3-Boxes_W0QQitemZ200278895428QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116]SEASON ONE[/url]. good enough to at least get them in the Database. If you want I can Submit them and do some Photoshopping to make them neat. Good luck with your weekend and try to wear clean socks.

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Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:28:45 GMT

I think the only reason the too general ones like "Super Heroes" and such were rejected is because they are in every set. Imagine the Arc getting filled with 600 cards across 10 sets, so I see Valiant's point about holding these out. I'll bet every run in your Sandman series is fine, because they won't lead to this craziness I describe above. And while I doubt many people will use the arcs, just having a use for the field in Trading Cards is cool.

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Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:40:37 GMT

[quote=Batman007]Done! I shall obey but I'll pass on the stogie. Here's a [url=http://cgi.ebay.com/SMALLVILLE-SEASON-2-TWO-FACTORY-SEALED-TRADING-CARD-BOX_W0QQitemZ280198754231QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116]SEASON TWO BOX[/url] and here's [url=http://cgi.ebay.com/Smallville-Season-1-Trading-Cards-3-Boxes_W0QQitemZ200278895428QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116]SEASON ONE[/url]. good enough to at least get them in the Database. If you want I can Submit them and do some Photoshopping to make them neat. Good luck with your weekend and try to wear clean socks.[/quote] That's the key. [b]Clean socks[/b]. [b]Dirty mind[/b]. [b]Let none deny[/b]. b-)

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Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:42:35 GMT

[quote=ntkeith]I think the only reason the too general ones like "Super Heroes" and such were rejected is because they are in every set. Imagine the Arc getting filled with 600 cards across 10 sets, so I see Valiant's point about holding these out. I'll bet every run in your Sandman series is fine, because they won't lead to this craziness I describe above. And while I doubt many people will use the arcs, just having a use for the field in Trading Cards is cool.[/quote] And I agree. It's just another means people might use to find something they might not otherwise find. Type "[b]Matt Trakker[/b]" in the library search sometime and choose "[b]Action Figures[/b]" as the booktype. It's pretty impressive. Another example of how tagging this data is really awesome. :-d

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Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:43:11 GMT

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Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:11:42 GMT

[quote=The_Valiant_One] Type "[b]Matt Trakker[/b]" in the library search sometime and choose "[b]Action Figures[/b]" as the booktype. It's pretty impressive. Another example of how tagging this data is really awesome. :-d [/quote] Yeah but when will we be able to cross reference our searches on the web with Characters and Type, or by every Field we enter for that matter? Soon I hope, I've been waiting for this ever since I signed up?

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Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:04:48 GMT

Everyone start chanting "Advanced Search Page" and see if we can cause the world to either spin faster or halt, which ever gets the task done. That is when all this extra data really gets useful. Artist/Writer search (meh on Editors, but if your gonna do the others...), Character combined with Media Type, Year Filters...Oh Man my little DB driven head is gonna explode.

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Wed, 26 Nov 2008 05:26:53 GMT

[quote=ntkeith]Everyone start chanting "Advanced Search Page" and see if we can cause the world to either spin faster or halt, which ever gets the task done. That is when all this extra data really gets useful. Artist/Writer search (meh on Editors, but if your gonna do the others...), Character combined with Media Type, Year Filters...Oh Man my little DB driven head is gonna explode.[/quote] [b][i]Ah. If you guys only knew.... [/i][/b]

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Wed, 26 Nov 2008 07:03:53 GMT

[quote=The_Valiant_One]Type "[b]Matt Trakker[/b]" in the library search sometime and choose "[b]Action Figures[/b]" as the booktype. It's pretty impressive. Another example of how tagging this data is really awesome. :-d [/quote] Um - I get no hits on "Matt Trakker". By library search you mean [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/Search.aspx]this page[/url], right?

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Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:02:24 GMT

[quote=The_Valiant_One][quote=ntkeith]Everyone start chanting "Advanced Search Page" and see if we can cause the world to either spin faster or halt, which ever gets the task done. That is when all this extra data really gets useful. Artist/Writer search (meh on Editors, but if your gonna do the others...), Character combined with Media Type, Year Filters...Oh Man my little DB driven head is gonna explode.[/quote] [b][i]Ah. If you guys only knew.... [/i][/b] [/quote] Now that's just cruel, man. Cold blooded.

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Thu, 27 Nov 2008 21:35:50 GMT

I haven't seen anything mentioned, but don't have time to read through all these posts. I wanted to know about trading card wrappers. It seems that there are sealed boxes and packs, but what about loose wrappers? They are collectible in and of themselves, though modern ones would probably have no value. But since I see that PK Comics is selling vintage Batman cards, and will probably follow with other vintage cards, it's just logical that the wax wrappers of these cards will eventually be offered. Should the wrapper be listed in the same type of category as the packs and boxes? Phil

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Thu, 27 Nov 2008 21:56:25 GMT

[quote=GPDCOMICS]I haven't seen anything mentioned, but don't have time to read through all these posts. I wanted to know about trading card wrappers. It seems that there are sealed boxes and packs, but what about loose wrappers? They are collectible in and of themselves, though modern ones would probably have no value. But since I see that PK Comics is selling vintage Batman cards, and will probably follow with other vintage cards, it's just logical that the wax wrappers of these cards will eventually be offered. Should the wrapper be listed in the same type of category as the packs and boxes? Phil[/quote] I believe this was answered at one point and the answer was to use a sealed pack, but in some description somewhere note that it is just a wrapper. I've never quite figured out where that's supposed to go where it is easily viewable. I think they should be a separate item - I've got most of the old Star Wars wrappers and it just doesn't make sense from a collector standpoint to track them as sealed packs.

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Thu, 27 Nov 2008 23:05:50 GMT

[quote=scotteaves][quote=GPDCOMICS]I haven't seen anything mentioned, but don't have time to read through all these posts. I wanted to know about trading card wrappers. It seems that there are sealed boxes and packs, but what about loose wrappers? They are collectible in and of themselves, though modern ones would probably have no value. But since I see that PK Comics is selling vintage Batman cards, and will probably follow with other vintage cards, it's just logical that the wax wrappers of these cards will eventually be offered. Should the wrapper be listed in the same type of category as the packs and boxes? Phil[/quote] I believe this was answered at one point and the answer was to use a sealed pack, but in some description somewhere note that it is just a wrapper. I've never quite figured out where that's supposed to go where it is easily viewable. I think they should be a separate item - I've got most of the old Star Wars wrappers and it just doesn't make sense from a collector standpoint to track them as sealed packs.[/quote] They are like opened Action Figures. They are not separate, because they are a "condition", not an item. Bagged vs unbagged comics aren't different entries, they are in the details when you add them to the collection (Add something, then double click on it, Condition Info -> Condition Details). This was pretty specific, since comics and action figures have already gone through the mental power of deciding this.

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Thu, 27 Nov 2008 23:09:44 GMT

One more thing about Story Arc and Cards.... So far, I have only attached the arcs that are on the cards themselves, most of the time on the front, but at least obvious on each card. But now that I doing Marvel Metal, I have found the same type of categories, but they are not on the cards, only the checklist. My opinion is the rule for Story Arcs should be what is on the card, not somewhere else. If they meant it, but didn't include it on the card (in this case, they colored part of the card differently, but no where on cards #1-9 do they say 'Alternate X' like the checklist card has them marked), if it is not on the card, it is not a real Story Arc. But I bring it up here to the tribunal for final verdict.

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Thu, 27 Nov 2008 23:43:51 GMT

Yeah because the Sandman Cards have the groupings listed on the Checklist and the back of the Cards but not on the front. The Vertigo ones are just broken up by Cover Title and Character. Some official say would help me out with my planned Arc additions.

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Fri, 28 Nov 2008 00:53:23 GMT

For clarity, my opinion is "if it is on the card, front or back, then add it. On the checklist, don't". But like I said, I'll follow how Valiant stamps it.

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Fri, 28 Nov 2008 01:47:24 GMT

And I plan to group all the of the Swamp Thing groups, Hellblazer groups and Sandman groups in the Vertgio Trading Card set under those Arcs as well.

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Fri, 28 Nov 2008 09:54:43 GMT

[quote=ntkeith]They are like opened Action Figures. They are not separate, because they are a "condition", not an item. Bagged vs unbagged comics aren't different entries, they are in the details when you add them to the collection (Add something, then double click on it, Condition Info -> Condition Details). This was pretty specific, since comics and action figures have already gone through the mental power of deciding this.[/quote] I can't edit that Condition Details field - no amount of clicking in it lets me enter anything. That's where I've always had trouble with going with this solution - the info isn't BANG right there for a buyer when browing a store. (Edit: just found that the only way to get that field filled is to go thru the "Determine Comic Book Condition" button - and none of those options fit a loose wrapper). Loose wrappers are not the same as unbagged comics - comics generally come unbagged. And those that come polybagged (and contain another item - promo card, mini-comic) are often in the db as a separate item from the unbagged version - which is how I was instructed to work with polybagged comics a while back.

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Fri, 28 Nov 2008 13:19:43 GMT

If you are looking for a place to describe it when you go to sell it, that is "Market Place Notes", right? I'm pretty sure that is the right field, but I know one goes directly to the Market Place for buyers. If I mis-spoke about the bagged comics, my fault. But this has been discussed twice before in the guidelines thread, and Valiant has been specific about it each time. Pretty sure this is decided, that empty wrappers are not their own listing.

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Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:04:09 GMT

far as I remember your right keith the wrappers are supposed to be added in as a single pack and just be notated as being a wrapper if I'm not mistaken

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Fri, 28 Nov 2008 15:30:01 GMT

[quote=ntkeith]If you are looking for a place to describe it when you go to sell it, that is "Market Place Notes", right? I'm pretty sure that is the right field, but I know one goes directly to the Market Place for buyers.[/quote] Ok, but what about for a collector managing their collection? Buried way down in personal notes? That's just silly for something so common as a loose wrapper. It's not like we're talking about a one of a kind item like an autographed comic from a convention or something. I'll check in with T_V_O to try and understand the thought process behind it. I know it's been part of the guidelines from day 1, but now that I see others questioning it I gotta speak up. It just never made sense to me ever since I first saw it in the guidelines.

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Fri, 28 Nov 2008 20:31:40 GMT

[quote=scotteaves]Loose wrappers are not the same as unbagged comics - comics generally come unbagged. And those that come polybagged (and contain another item - promo card, mini-comic) are often in the db as a separate item from the unbagged version - which is how I was instructed to work with polybagged comics a while back.[/quote] Yeah - just to clarify this point. We had a series of debates a while back on the bagged/unbagged comics and it was decided by CCL that since unbagged version of comics that originally came bagged are so common, it was simpler to have two entries (1 main+1 variant). What about having the wrappers as variants of the sealed packs? Just floating the idea - of course it's up to Valiant. Whatever he says. :)

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Fri, 28 Nov 2008 20:37:46 GMT

I was thinking that was what had been decided already maybe I'm wrong if so it sounds like a good idea, I mean you could name it as a wrapper only in the description field

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Sat, 29 Nov 2008 10:36:10 GMT

I'm sorry if I missed this debate, but I don't agree at all. A wrapper is not a condition of a sealed pack and is an item in and of itself. It doesn't come with cards, it's a separate entity. I don't collect sealed packs of anything, but will collect a wrapper with sets. Sometimes there are more than 1 wrapper, with different images. Does that mean all the different types of wrappers/packs are going to be scanned as variants? Also, a loose wrapper usually will not look like a sealed pack. Especially the wax ones. Most when displayed are fully opened and flat, which shows all of the front of the wrapper. Sealed packs won't show the folded part. When I mentioned collectible wrappers, I was going for those vintage wrappers, mostly 1980s and earlier. If CCL has its mind set for putting it under a sealed pack, then I guess you could always show the loose wrapper as a scan, and note it in your description. But if I decide to sell some and the customer thinks they are getting a sealed pack and get just a wrapper in the mail and is disappointed, I'm going to tell them to take it up with CCL since they decided to do things that way. Phil

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Sat, 29 Nov 2008 10:54:07 GMT

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Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:30:48 GMT

[quote=sgriffin][quote=GPDCOMICS]I'm sorry if I missed this debate, but I don't agree at all. A wrapper is not a condition of a sealed pack and is an item in and of itself. It doesn't come with cards, it's a separate entity. I don't collect sealed packs of anything, but will collect a wrapper with sets. Sometimes there are more than 1 wrapper, with different images. Does that mean all the different types of wrappers/packs are going to be scanned as variants? Also, a loose wrapper usually will not look like a sealed pack. Especially the wax ones. Most when displayed are fully opened and flat, which shows all of the front of the wrapper. Sealed packs won't show the folded part. When I mentioned collectible wrappers, I was going for those vintage wrappers, mostly 1980s and earlier. If CCL has its mind set for putting it under a sealed pack, then I guess you could always show the loose wrapper as a scan, and note it in your description. But if I decide to sell some and the customer thinks they are getting a sealed pack and get just a wrapper in the mail and is disappointed, I'm going to tell them to take it up with CCL since they decided to do things that way. Phil[/quote] I don't think anything has been decided, but listing the wrappers as variants wouldn't have those problems. A variant has its own picture and entry in the database. No one would think they're getting a sealed pack - the picture and description would clearly show that it's a wrapper. And yes, different types of wrappers/packs are already being scanned in. An example might help - suppose you wanted to list wrappers for [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/CoverTitle.aspx?id=30e71ec1-d199-4e0e-9c6a-a147d726e565]1993 Marvel Masterpieces[/url]. The sealed packs with Iron Man and Silver Surfer are already listed as 2A and 2B (there might be more sealed packs, but they're not added yet). What I was suggesting is we add the wrappers as variants of these, say 2C and 2D. The pictures would show the opened/unfolded wrapper, and the captions would say something like "Iron Man Wrapper Only".[/quote] I suggested something like that earlier and CCL said they didn't want loose wrappers listed. They said sellers could list as a full pack and then make a note in the market notes section that it was only the wrapper and post their own scan if they wanted to.

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Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:37:26 GMT

Would we also add/list the polybag that some comics came in as a separate item? Death of Superman for example, lots of Image from that time-frame as well. It seems a bit silly to have the wrappers as a separate item in the database.

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Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:52:41 GMT

[quote=Xylob]Would we also add/list the polybag that some comics came in as a separate item? Death of Superman for example, lots of Image from that time-frame as well. It seems a bit silly to have the wrappers as a separate item in the database.[/quote]The difference is that in the card collecting world wrappers have a value and comic bags don't. A Mars Attacks wrapper will sell for several hundred dollars depending on condition.

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Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:10:13 GMT

Holy cow! Just for the wrapper?

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Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:29:34 GMT

[quote=Xylob]Holy cow! Just for the wrapper?[/quote]Yeah, back in the good ol' days we stupid kids opened the pack and threw the wrapper away so they're real scarce. We never had any idea that cards would some day be worth money. I also used to put my Mickey Mantle cards on my bicycle spokes. Thank God I kept my comics.

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Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:44:08 GMT

yeah, me too. Open it, throw away the wrapper and nasty gum. Keep the cool ones, stick the extras in my spokes.

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Sat, 29 Nov 2008 13:53:24 GMT

For what it is worth, I think the wrapper (only) SHOULD be listed as a separate item. Since you may be selling it to potential buyers, it should show as its own search. A buyer should not have to enter the 'view' for each individual 'pack' listing in order to see if it is wrapper (only) or pack with cards by reading the description. Not listing it as a unique item could also lead to a buyer, who doesn't pay enough attention, receiving a wrapper only by mistake. I feel the same way about signed items, as they frequently get 'lost' at the bottom of the available items with the only indicator being a 'higher' than normal price. Then the buyer has to view the item to see if it is 'signed' or some other rarity. Again, just my opinion... and probably too late... but I'll toss it anyway.

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Sun, 30 Nov 2008 00:31:34 GMT

Well, I didn't mention empty boxes, which is in itself another collectible. My main focus is on the vintage stuff, since that is probably where the loose wrappers and empty boxes would be bought/sold by themselves. I'm still looking for some loose vintage wrappers, especially for sets I already own. And yes, I would definitely not want to go through tons of sealed packs, viewing each detail from each seller, just to find out whether or not he has a pack or a wrapper. I find it too much of a hassle. Bagged and unbagged comics should be listed separately if they come with a bonus item when it's bagged. Posters or trading cards or anything else thrown in have value besides just the comic book. They should be worth more. I'm waiting for my Classic Star Wars Early Adventures #3 bagged with Boba Fett trading card to get approved. I actually listed one under the unbagged version. People don't see this unless they check my detail and I look like I'm gouging for a higher price than the others being sold. On a separate note. This goes to the guy who's been doing the Stargate series, or to an approver who can answer it. I thought each series were given its own printing. So Marvel Masterpieces series 4 would be printing 4. So why isn't Stargate season 9 printing 9? Or that isn't happening. The Stargate guy did A LOT of cards and I commend him for it. I also have been searching his entries for any mistakes, and for some reason finally came across the notion he is putting printing 1 on all seasons. So, Valiant, are printing 1's correct or should he be putting the appropriate printing with the appropriate season? Phil

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Sun, 30 Nov 2008 01:13:45 GMT

abydosorphan is a she and she's been dutifully making the invaluable Stargate Submissions. As for the Printings, yeah, they should match the Series Number so they will have to be Edited in 2.0 unless, of course, there's some method to the Printings being 1. Only abyd and Valiant can answer this one.

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Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:58:31 GMT

Another question - where do Trading Card Tins go? I'm not talking about Factory sets, but Collector Tins with x number of packs in them. I'd suggest they go under the title that includes the box/pack/binder/factory sets.

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Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:40:20 GMT

[quote=Batman007]abydosorphan is a she and she's been dutifully making the invaluable Stargate Submissions. As for the Printings, yeah, they should match the Series Number so they will have to be Edited in 2.0 unless, of course, there's some method to the Printings being 1. Only abyd and Valiant can answer this one.[/quote] From MY understanding of it, if something was reprinted then it would change the printing. The TITLE changes with each series, so why would we change the printing - unless there was a second release of the same title? This would be inaccurate as well as redundant. With the Stargate cards, you also wouldn't be able to line the printings up with the seasons, because Seasons 1-3 were covered in the first card set (the Premiere Edition) so would that set have to be printings 1, 2 and 3, or would Season 4 then become the second printing - which it shouldn't be since none of the cards were duplicated or ever REprinted? The season denotion is part of the title and not parenthetical information, so the first printing, dealing with that title, would be the only set in existence. This would also make Season 4 the first SEASON title... so would it then automatically become the 4th printing? Or would it be the 1st printing, since it is the first time that a SEASON title was there? This isn't like denoting the various waves of of toys within a single title. As far as I'm concerned if the title changes the printing should remain at 1 unless the series is reprinted for one reason or another. On another note how do you manage this in with Star Trek and the VARIOUS abundance of sets that they have that cover the same seasons? Not to mention the movie cards (which Stargate hasn't released yet, but given the franchise direction I'm sure will in time). As for the wrappers/boxes discussion - Rittenhouse also gives redemption points which gives the wrappers a value, and for one series, you needed to send in the UPC from the bottom of the box in order to redeem for a certain box topper card that was supposed to be included but didn't make it due to a manufacturing error. While I can understand these as a 'value' for sale... I would think that they should be listed under pack/box with an explanation about them being empty.

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Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:44:52 GMT

[quote=scotteaves]Another question - where do Trading Card Tins go? I'm not talking about Factory sets, but Collector Tins with x number of packs in them. I'd suggest they go under the title that includes the box/pack/binder/factory sets.[/quote] I agree that these should go in with the number of items released with a set.

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Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:08:02 GMT

[quote=GPDCOMICS]I'm sorry if I missed this debate, but I don't agree at all. A wrapper is not a condition of a sealed pack and is an item in and of itself. It doesn't come with cards, it's a separate entity. I don't collect sealed packs of anything, but will collect a wrapper with sets. Sometimes there are more than 1 wrapper, with different images. Does that mean all the different types of wrappers/packs are going to be scanned as variants? Also, a loose wrapper usually will not look like a sealed pack. Especially the wax ones. Most when displayed are fully opened and flat, which shows all of the front of the wrapper. Sealed packs won't show the folded part. When I mentioned collectible wrappers, I was going for those vintage wrappers, mostly 1980s and earlier. If CCL has its mind set for putting it under a sealed pack, then I guess you could always show the loose wrapper as a scan, and note it in your description. But if I decide to sell some and the customer thinks they are getting a sealed pack and get just a wrapper in the mail and is disappointed, I'm going to tell them to take it up with CCL since they decided to do things that way. Phil[/quote] Phil, Also, after re-reading your xcomments, I can understand where some of the confusion might be coming from. In the case of the Stargate cards, Season DOES NOT EQUAL Series. The collons that were put in place in my titles were done by the CCL approver, not by me (granted, I had also made mistakes on the parenthetical information at that point as I was not yet used to the CCL style and did the majority of my title entries the one day). If you look at Jeff Allender's House of Checklists (http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/allender/movietv.htm#movie), you can see that the title listings for each set is done seperately and without colons before the SEASON information as this is part of the TITLE of the set. Also, if Series and Season are going to be used synonymously with printing, this is an issue that will be revisited when I start on the Stargate Atlantis cards, as Seasons one and two are their own seperate set, while Seasons 3 and 4 are one set. With 3 sets covering the four seasons should this third set therefore be printings 3 and 4 with the season finale episode marking the break between the two printings? And what printing would the chase cards associated with these sets go under - especially as it is often difficult to differentiate a specific episode an autograph comes from? As per the Guidelines "Add missing Item, 7)Printing Field: in a series that includes multiple waves; please use the printing field to denote the series. In all other instances this field should default to 1. (example: if you are putting in Marvel Universe: Series Four... the printing field would be '4'." This information would be redundant with the title and if you used this exact same set of criteria in comic books, every additionaly volume would need to be an additional printing as they are continuations of the same series. It's not like toys where they put out another issue, these are printed material. Also, how would you differentiate (as I have already submitted) between a printed manufacture's error card with the REPRINTED correction of that same card? In essence this corrected card is a SECOND PRINTING of the first card. Cards are not released in 'waves' like many toys are. They are released in series that would be equivalent to comic book volumes.

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Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:40:38 GMT

i think the real thought Valiant put out (as he has said a couple of times) is "trying to make card inventory in a comic system". My understanding was the Printing should be thought of as Series, and treated as such. I don't think there is any relationship between printing and season, unless they just happen to line up. Looking at the checklist site, my judgment would have been the lines would have matched the main title "Stargate SG-1" and "Stargate: Atlantis" being separate runs, with SG-1 being... Stargate SG-1 Preview Printing 1 Stargate SG-1 Premiere Edition Printing 2 Stargate SG-1 Season 4 Printing 3 Stargate SG-1 Season 5 Printing 4 Stargate SG-1 Season 6 Printing 5 Stargate SG-1 Season 7 Printing 6 Stargate SG-1 Season 8 Printing 7 Stargate SG-1 Season 9 Printing 8 Stargate SG-1 Season 10 Printing 9 I think in the future the filed will be renamed in cards to avoid the confusion of printings. Also, those cards that were reprinted and corrected would be treated as variants (A, B, C, etc) and the Printing/Series would remain the same. Just my thoughts and understanding.

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Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:45:31 GMT

[quote=abydosorphan][quote=GPDCOMICS]I'm sorry if I missed this debate, but I don't agree at all. A wrapper is not a condition of a sealed pack and is an item in and of itself. It doesn't come with cards, it's a separate entity. I don't collect sealed packs of anything, but will collect a wrapper with sets. Sometimes there are more than 1 wrapper, with different images. Does that mean all the different types of wrappers/packs are going to be scanned as variants? Also, a loose wrapper usually will not look like a sealed pack. Especially the wax ones. Most when displayed are fully opened and flat, which shows all of the front of the wrapper. Sealed packs won't show the folded part. When I mentioned collectible wrappers, I was going for those vintage wrappers, mostly 1980s and earlier. If CCL has its mind set for putting it under a sealed pack, then I guess you could always show the loose wrapper as a scan, and note it in your description. But if I decide to sell some and the customer thinks they are getting a sealed pack and get just a wrapper in the mail and is disappointed, I'm going to tell them to take it up with CCL since they decided to do things that way. Phil[/quote] The different types/covers of packs should be entered as variants under the "pack" entry, in situations where they exist. As for the the wrappers, with the exception of unique circumstances for which I have already contacted The_Valiant_One, they can either be entered in your own personal inventory with the apporpiate personnal scans and [b][i]information[/i][/b] under packs, or under a separate heading should CCL decide to open one up. [u][i][b]However[/b][/i][/u], you can in no way hold CCL responsible for a miscommunication between a Seller (YOU) and a Buyer, as all the pertinent information on an item is supposed to be supplied by the Seller. This would come under the "condition" of the item, which the Seller is responsible for properly representing.

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Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:17:29 GMT

[quote=ntkeith]i think the real thought Valiant put out (as he has said a couple of times) is "trying to make card inventory in a comic system". My understanding was the Printing should be thought of as Series, and treated as such. I don't think there is any relationship between printing and season, unless they just happen to line up. Looking at the checklist site, my judgment would have been the lines would have matched the main title "Stargate SG-1" and "Stargate: Atlantis" being separate runs, with SG-1 being... Stargate SG-1 Preview Printing 1 Stargate SG-1 Premiere Edition Printing 2 Stargate SG-1 Season 4 Printing 3 Stargate SG-1 Season 5 Printing 4 Stargate SG-1 Season 6 Printing 5 Stargate SG-1 Season 7 Printing 6 Stargate SG-1 Season 8 Printing 7 Stargate SG-1 Season 9 Printing 8 Stargate SG-1 Season 10 Printing 9 I think in the future the filed will be renamed in cards to avoid the confusion of printings. Also, those cards that were reprinted and corrected would be treated as variants (A, B, C, etc) and the Printing/Series would remain the same. Just my thoughts and understanding.[/quote] I have been out of the loop lately, and for that I apologize. Now, however, this shows how a change in the "system" has become so much more confusing, simply because we started with a system designed to catalogue [i]printed[/i] material (Comics, Graphic Novels/TPBs, Magazines, and Hardbacks) and changed it to catalogue non-printed material (Action Figures, Statues and Busts), appropriately for [i]those[/i] catagories. However, cards ARE printed material, and in some cases do have reprintings, which can be handled exactly as comics. Defining cards by Title, Publisher, and Year(s) and leaving the printing field to "factual printing data" for said Title, Publisher, and Year(s). It is inaccurate to note a 2nd-??? printing that does not actually exist, and would be inaccurate to note a [b]reprint[/b] card as having the same printing as the original release. This not only defies logic, it defies the definition of the word(s), and is contrary to the handling of 2nd print variant comics, especially those that are released to correct editorial or printing errors, as suggested above.

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Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:04:05 GMT

My 2c - I don't think "Season" cards should be considered in the same way that "Series" is. There's no distinction between the title of the various Marvel Universe cards, so a series indicator works for me. However, each Season creates a stand-alone title, therefore the printing field can be 1 each time.

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Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:30:40 GMT

[quote=ntkeith]i think the real thought Valiant put out (as he has said a couple of times) is "trying to make card inventory in a comic system". My understanding was the Printing should be thought of as Series, and treated as such. I don't think there is any relationship between printing and season, unless they just happen to line up. Looking at the checklist site, my judgment would have been the lines would have matched the main title "Stargate SG-1" and "Stargate: Atlantis" being separate runs, with SG-1 being... Stargate SG-1 Preview Printing 1 Stargate SG-1 Premiere Edition Printing 2 Stargate SG-1 Season 4 Printing 3 Stargate SG-1 Season 5 Printing 4 Stargate SG-1 Season 6 Printing 5 Stargate SG-1 Season 7 Printing 6 Stargate SG-1 Season 8 Printing 7 Stargate SG-1 Season 9 Printing 8 Stargate SG-1 Season 10 Printing 9 I think in the future the filed will be renamed in cards to avoid the confusion of printings. Also, those cards that were reprinted and corrected would be treated as variants (A, B, C, etc) and the Printing/Series would remain the same. Just my thoughts and understanding.[/quote] Following this logic, you create several issues that I can think of where the Stargate cards are concerned. If you start the 'Printing' off with the Preview set - does the error card that was issued during that set, which caused a reprinted variant card (because it cannot accurrately be described as a variant alone, because it is a variant that needed to be made to correct an earlier mistake, rather than an additional version of that card), then make the reprinted variant the second printing? If you say yes - how can you then go and make the Premiere Edition 'printing' 2? That reprinted variant and the Premiere Edition are clearly not in the same set - as shown by the title - but the 'printing' data as you have set forth above seems to indicate that they are. So then do you make the Premiere Edition 'printing' 3? I think this is really more confusing and trouble then it's worth. I agree with SwiftMann, that each SEASON set should be a stand alone title. I won't be entering any of the Season 6 Stargate cards until we have this settled, as this is going to completely throw off the sets and I'll need to do some figuring out to determine exactly where the 3 reprinted, corrected checklist variant cards from that set fall.

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Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:54:58 GMT

When Valiant returns he will definitely clear this up and give an answer.

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Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:09:32 GMT

[quote=SwiftMann]My 2c - I don't think "Season" cards should be considered in the same way that "Series" is. There's no distinction between the title of the various Marvel Universe cards, so a series indicator works for me. However, each Season creates a stand-alone title, therefore the printing field can be 1 each time.[/quote] Actually, if you incorporate "Series (insert number)" as part of the title (as noted on packs, boxes, and factory sets), the distinction is in the title. For example, these cards were not solicited as merely "Marvel Universe", they were always advertised and solicited with the distinction included. Also, in those sets, the markings on the cards distinguish them by including the year of issue into a Marvel or Marvel Universe logo on the face of the card.

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Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:27:35 GMT

Hey Guys! Hop over to my thread "ASK THE VALIANT ONE" for my answer on the PRINTING debacle in STARGATE....

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Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:12:05 GMT

O.K. I have checked & nobody is doing my favorite cards (stickers) yet so I would like to claim the Odd Rod, Silly Cycles, Fiends & Machines. I know they are just like the comics I collect,all with a motor. I have most of them, & know where to get scans of those missing. I have a list of questions I am putting together that I will post later on today after I get a chance to read all the prior post. I just gave ita quick glance looking for the Odd Rods. I do have a quick question, are we going by the rule of if it is listed in the non-sports price guide it can be added on CCL? If so my list of questions might take longer.

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Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:47:35 GMT

[quote=a_Kid_4_life]O.K. I have checked & nobody is doing my favorite cards (stickers) yet so I would like to claim the Odd Rod, Silly Cycles, Fiends & Machines. I know they are just like the comics I collect,all with a motor. I have most of them, & know where to get scans of those missing. I have a list of questions I am putting together that I will post later on today after I get a chance to read all the prior post. I just gave ita quick glance looking for the Odd Rods. I do have a quick question, are we going by the rule of if it is listed in the non-sports price guide it can be added on CCL? If so my list of questions might take longer.[/quote] All non-sport, except for gaming cards, that seems to be the rule. Your sets are encouraged, come on in the club. Gaming is only on hold because it will be a separate section and needs more fields in the DB before that is opened. And sports just don't fit in the club, some revenge of us nerds to those jocks.

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Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:51:26 GMT

Some of the cards I will be adding have Variant backs, How can I do this with only 1 image space per card? I would think that at least card #1 would have 2 places to show an example of front & back. Some sets use the back as a way to know what set it is from. Are drag racing cards considered non - sport? The cards from the 70's are listed in both the non - sports price guide & the Beckett. If so there is 1 set that was made in U.S. with no #'s & made in Canada with them. The non - sports price guide list them alphabeticaly which is not how they are #ed. Would they go in by # first & the nn be a variant? Just to make sure I am right the Odd Rods have 7 issues with 2 being reprints of earlier sets but were sold with different names for each, so I don't list them as series but by the names they were sold under. I am confused about how packs / wrappers are added, could that be explained more clearly. I also feel there should be a place for each. I also think that the boxes could use 2 os 3 places for images to show the different artwork on the sides. These are some questions I need to be answered before I get going.

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Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:11:29 GMT

Question, Valiant: Why is the multifold packaging/cardboard wrapping for the "Ladies of the Spirit" cards supposed to be added as #0 under the (Promo) title? I thought the packs were suppoed to be added to the standard title w/o a designation, no?

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Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:22:52 GMT

Don't all questions for Valiant now go in [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=14074]THIS THREAD[/url]?

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Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:42:54 GMT

[quote=Batman007]Don't all questions for Valiant now go in [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=14074]THIS THREAD[/url]?[/quote] I have no clue! Had to do with trading cards so I figured I'd post here.

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Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:56:43 GMT

I thought Valiant wanted to leave this for Guidelines and have all questions directed to the other thread as that's the one he checks and this is the one he updates.

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Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:05:22 GMT

Cool, I'll post there then. Haven't been to active w/ all the changes I want to make lately since finals are coming, so I'm a little out of date.

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Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:14:54 GMT

[quote=a_Kid_4_life] Some of the cards I will be adding have Variant backs, How can I do this with only 1 image space per card? I would think that at least card #1 would have 2 places to show an example of front & back. Some sets use the back as a way to know what set it is from.[/quote] Additional images will be supported in the future, but not right now. Put both cards up with their fronts, even if they are the same, and you can add the backs when that is supported. [quote=a_Kid_4_life] Are drag racing cards considered non - sport? The cards from the 70's are listed in both the non - sports price guide & the Beckett. If so there is 1 set that was made in U.S. with no #'s & made in Canada with them. The non - sports price guide list them alphabeticaly which is not how they are #ed. Would they go in by # first & the nn be a variant?[/quote] Just my vote here, I am not quoting guidelines, but I think these are sport. Racing cards are very main stream, and usually considered separate than our world over here. [quote=a_Kid_4_life] Just to make sure I am right the Odd Rods have 7 issues with 2 being reprints of earlier sets but were sold with different names for each, so I don't list them as series but by the names they were sold under.[/quote] So the same card, but different manufactures/publishers? If so, separate sets, named as they were sold. [quote=a_Kid_4_life] I am confused about how packs / wrappers are added, could that be explained more clearly. I also feel there should be a place for each. [/quote] Packs are listed in the main title (ex. "2007 Marvel Masterpieces" with nothing after it) as item #2. If there are different images on the packs, they are variants. As far as sealed pack vs wrapper, take assurance that the conversation has been discussed several times and with great length, and ruling has been handed down from high that they ARE NOT separate, they are to be noted in conditions and treated like an action figure being sold either in the packaging or loose. [quote=a_Kid_4_life] I also think that the boxes could use 2 os 3 places for images to show the different artwork on the sides. These are some questions I need to be answered before I get going.[/quote] See above about the future image support, that will happen, just not yet.

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Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:40:49 GMT

O.K. now I understand how boxes, wrappers ect...are done. I can wait for the space for more images. Would however like to getsome more feedback on the Variation cards. Iwould think that if the fronts are the same that on the b card to show the back where the differance can be seen. I also would like to get some more feedback on the drag racing cards. Now let me ask you this, there are other car sets listed in the non - sports price guide that have both show cars, and racing cars as well. Are they allowed or not? I was told not sports & there is a fine line between racing being called a sport or a hobby (that's what it started as). My other fact to add is when the sets that are in the non - sports price guide were printed there were only a handful of racing cards at all. It wasn't untill the 90's when the Racing Beckett first came out,& the older cards were only listed 1 or 2yrs. The last time I looked at a Racing Beckett they were not listed. Mainstream racing cards came out in 1988 & by 1990 they were just another set of cards. If your town is anything like mine not every card shop carries them now. Only shops who know that they can sell them has them. There is only 2 or 3 stores that carry them and none have every current cards there, but can order them for you. So now that you located racing cards, how many are Drag Racing? Maybe 1 set a year, while nasscar has 12 or more & the Racing Beckett is all nasscar. Now I would think that since "Mainstream" racing cards didn't happen until 1988 that racing cards prior to that & are in the non - sports price guide should be included here. Oh yeah! Just to set the record straight, I collect comics & non sports cards as well as racing cards prior to 1988. I know that you can not find these racing cards any place, last time I went looking I had to drive to Seattle and only 2 shops had them & I bought them all. With that being said I think I will try to find a checklist for them on the web & let you know how I do!

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Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:46:19 GMT

I'd never call racing a sport, but if it keeps them out of this DB, then they are so a sport. OK OK OK, just reliving a bad childhood and being tortured to NASCAR on the radio and TV EVERY WAKING MINUTE!!!! Make it stop, make it stop, make it stop.

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Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:17:18 GMT

I am sorry that you had NASSCAR shoved down your throat, and it has left a sore spot in your mind. Many others have good thoughts when they remember going to the races with the family. For some it may have been the only time they spent with their dad. Either way personal issues have no meaning here. This is for guidelines, and as I recall all cards that are non- sport & not gaming were allowed. So if the non - sports price guide is used to determine what's in or out that would keep personal issuses out & stop any debate as what is or not a sport.

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Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:29:25 GMT

My post was sarcastic.

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Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:47:19 GMT

[quote=a_Kid_4_life]O.K. I have checked & nobody is doing my favorite cards (stickers) yet so I would like to claim the Odd Rod, Silly Cycles, Fiends & Machines. I know they are just like the comics I collect,all with a motor. I have most of them, & know where to get scans of those missing. I have a list of questions I am putting together that I will post later on today after I get a chance to read all the prior post. I just gave ita quick glance looking for the Odd Rods. I do have a quick question, are we going by the rule of if it is listed in the non-sports price guide it can be added on CCL? If so my list of questions might take longer.[/quote] This might be an old question that has little relevance now, but for the most part, yes. If it's in the non-sport update, then you should be golden. HOWEVER, please note that if the card contains things like statistics on a driver or a season of driving, then that falls under the "SPORT" category.

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Sun, 08 Feb 2009 03:52:00 GMT

I've Skimmed Through This Topic And Didn't Notice If This Was Asked Or Not. Are Wrestling Cards Considered Sport Or Non-Sport? It Is Definitly Athletic, But They Are Regularly Scheduled TV Shows. With The Tagline Of Sports Entertainment, This Could Easily Go Either Way. Thoughts???

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Sun, 08 Feb 2009 11:47:37 GMT

[quote=wildd0g]I've Skimmed Through This Topic And Didn't Notice If This Was Asked Or Not. Are Wrestling Cards Considered Sport Or Non-Sport? It Is Definitly Athletic, But They Are Regularly Scheduled TV Shows. With The Tagline Of Sports Entertainment, This Could Easily Go Either Way. Thoughts??? [/quote] WWF cards ARE listed in Non-Sport Update magazine, so I'd lean towards yes. But, I'm not the one who makes that final decision. :-d

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Mon, 09 Feb 2009 01:32:54 GMT

Photo's of guys in tight pants...sounds like sports cards, although photos of guys in costume posing for camera...sounds like superheroes...lol But really Wrestling = Olympic Sport, no matter how fake pro wrestling is. I'd Vote No on it, But it is admittedly a borderline call.

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Mon, 09 Feb 2009 07:12:22 GMT

Professional "wrestling" is more of a choreographed gymnastics display with some really bad acting thrown in. Though I wouldn't call them wrestlers, I'd certainly say they still qualify as atheletes. I'd vote "No" as well.

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Mon, 09 Feb 2009 08:06:36 GMT

I'm not a wrestling fan, but I think WWF changed it's name to WWE (E for entertainment) because it considered itself to be more of a show than sport (also didn't want confused with World Wildlife Foundation). It no longer pretends to be "real" and freely admits that it is a choreographed and planned event. I stick by the rule that if it's listed in Non-Sport Price Guide then it's not a sport.

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Mon, 09 Feb 2009 08:32:21 GMT

[quote=comicscastle]I'm not a wrestling fan, but I think WWF changed it's name to WWE (E for entertainment) because it considered itself to be more of a show than sport (also didn't want confused with World Wildlife Foundation). It no longer pretends to be "real" and freely admits that it is a choreographed and planned event. I stick by the rule that if it's listed in Non-Sport Price Guide then it's not a sport.[/quote] Actually, they changed their name because the World Wildlife Foundation (WWF) sued them and finally won. From 2002: [quote]The World Wrestling Federation has announced that it has re-branded as World Wrestling Entertainment and has moved from WWF.com to WWE.com, apparently abandoning plans to appeal a case won earlier this year by the World Wide Fund for Nature, formerly the World Wildlife Fund. In October 2001, the High Court ruled that the Federation breached a 1994 agreement with the Fund by the use of its logo and the URL wwf.com. The charity successfully argued that the Federation’s association with violence and sleaze was damaging by “insalubrious connotation” the Fund’s ability to raise money for nature conservation. In February, the English Court of Appeal upheld the High Court’s order that the Fund was entitled to the exclusive use of the initials WWF anywhere outside the US. The Federation initially said it would appeal to the House of Lords, but it appears now to have abandoned this plan. Linda McMahon, CEO of the newly named World Wrestling Entertainment said this week: “We will utilise this opportunity to position ourselves emphasising the entertainment aspect of our company, and, at the same time, allay the concerns of the Fund.” WWE said in a statement that it will continue to trade as WWF on the New York Stock Exchange until a suitable replacement symbol is found. The company will be providing the appropriate documentation and filings with regulators to solicit shareholder approval of the name change.[/quote]

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Mon, 09 Feb 2009 09:21:56 GMT

I personally don't have a problem with them being added. Wrestling is athletic, but I don't know if I'd call it a 'sport'; far as I know alot of it is scripted show. They're also listed in Non-Sport Update. Since it's agreed that it's a borderline call, I'll say go ahead and submit them, I'm ok with it. :) Put in the comments 'per Valiant', you should be golden.

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Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:04:11 GMT

Here's something that I have already been doing, as I thought it was the best place for the item, but it came up in talks with an approver, and I'm unsure now if I've been doing it right or if it should have a place of its own. Archive Boxes. For the Stargate Sets, later Seasons had archive boxes (usually as 6 case incentives - sometimes more). I had been listing them in the spot for 'Factor Sets' as Rittenhouse doesn't do these to the best of my knowledge - and never has for the SG sets if they do for any others. Is this the appropriate place for these boxes or should they have their own number?

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Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:50:31 GMT

[quote=abydosorphan]Here's something that I have already been doing, as I thought it was the best place for the item, but it came up in talks with an approver, and I'm unsure now if I've been doing it right or if it should have a place of its own. Archive Boxes. For the Stargate Sets, later Seasons had archive boxes (usually as 6 case incentives - sometimes more). I had been listing them in the spot for 'Factor Sets' as Rittenhouse doesn't do these to the best of my knowledge - and never has for the SG sets if they do for any others. Is this the appropriate place for these boxes or should they have their own number?[/quote] That's the best place for them. As long as the Caption reflects that it is an "Archive Box", that's perfect. If you aren't already, I'd also mention how many cases needed to be purchased in order to get it - best place is probably in the bio.

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Fri, 03 Apr 2009 14:06:20 GMT

Are you guys talking about the Rittenhouse Archive boxes, which are sealed boxes of cards, just with the specials being stuffed in them (normal box has 1 sketch, Archive have 10?) if so, these are variants of sealed boxes. They shouldn't be Factory Sets, they are not sets, they are boxes of cards. And they are prevalent in almost all Rittenhouse sets.

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Fri, 03 Apr 2009 18:15:56 GMT

[quote=ntkeith]Are you guys talking about the Rittenhouse Archive boxes, which are sealed boxes of cards, just with the specials being stuffed in them (normal box has 1 sketch, Archive have 10?) if so, these are variants of sealed boxes. They shouldn't be Factory Sets, they are not sets, they are boxes of cards. And they are prevalent in almost all Rittenhouse sets.[/quote] I can almost see this, but I'm not sure that I agree that they should be a variant of the regular box. If anything I thought they should have their own number as, while they are a BOX of cards, you won't get a single base set card in the Archive Box, but you will get EVERY Autograph, Costume, etc card that goes along with that respective Season/Series/Set in the Archive Box.

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Fri, 03 Apr 2009 21:45:14 GMT

[quote=abydosorphan][quote=ntkeith]Are you guys talking about the Rittenhouse Archive boxes, which are sealed boxes of cards, just with the specials being stuffed in them (normal box has 1 sketch, Archive have 10?) if so, these are variants of sealed boxes. They shouldn't be Factory Sets, they are not sets, they are boxes of cards. And they are prevalent in almost all Rittenhouse sets.[/quote] I can almost see this, but I'm not sure that I agree that they should be a variant of the regular box. If anything I thought they should have their own number as, while they are a BOX of cards, you won't get a single base set card in the Archive Box, but you will get EVERY Autograph, Costume, etc card that goes along with that respective Season/Series/Set in the Archive Box.[/quote] They are Factory Sets of the chase/insert sets, but don't include a base set. That's why I said to put them in as a Factory Set - they are a factory sealed special release. I realize it may not be the best place for them, but sealed box is even less accurate as a sealed box is a sealed box of packs (at least in my mind). A Factory Set is something specially packaged from the manufacturer that is a full set (again, that's the definition I use). Unless - what about under Collector's Tin (COLLECTOR TINS (generally this is for tins that are not sets))? Again - not exactly accurate (we could modify that name to accommodate these) but that covers the fact they are NOT full 100% complete sets and already exists as an item in the guidelines. Maybe call it Collector's Tin/Box in the guidelines - then in the actual Caption, enter "Archive Box".

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Fri, 03 Apr 2009 22:09:37 GMT

[quote=scotteaves]They are Factory Sets of the chase/insert sets, but don't include a base set. That's why I said to put them in as a Factory Set - they are a factory sealed special release. I realize it may not be the best place for them, but sealed box is even less accurate as a sealed box is a sealed box of packs (at least in my mind). A Factory Set is something specially packaged from the manufacturer that is a full set (again, that's the definition I use). Unless - what about under Collector's Tin (COLLECTOR TINS (generally this is for tins that are not sets))? Again - not exactly accurate (we could modify that name to accommodate these) but that covers the fact they are NOT full 100% complete sets and already exists as an item in the guidelines. Maybe call it Collector's Tin/Box in the guidelines - then in the actual Caption, enter "Archive Box".[/quote] Ok, so regardless of which of these options is decided, would they then automatically go down as a B variant? I wouldn't want to make it a either or option as undoubtedly there are sets out there that have both, no matter which we go with. Or would it be easier to just list Archive Boxes (especially since most sets from Rittenhouse seem to have them pop up at one point or another) as number 8 under the header title? That way when the set has them, they're listed, and when it doesn't, we don't.

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Fri, 03 Apr 2009 23:35:00 GMT

Also, just to point out, shouldn't the fact that the Archive Boxes were multi-case incentives automatically rule out Factory Sets? Since they are generally considered a retailer incentive.

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Sat, 04 Apr 2009 13:29:48 GMT

[quote=abydosorphan] Ok, so regardless of which of these options is decided, would they then automatically go down as a B variant? I wouldn't want to make it a either or option as undoubtedly there are sets out there that have both, no matter which we go with. Or would it be easier to just list Archive Boxes (especially since most sets from Rittenhouse seem to have them pop up at one point or another) as number 8 under the header title? That way when the set has them, they're listed, and when it doesn't, we don't.[/quote] I'll run it past the Guidelines committee and let you know what the decision is. Do you know of any sets that have both an Archive Box and Collector Tins? Are Archive Boxes are a Rittenhouse specific thing? [quote=abydosorphan]Also, just to point out, shouldn't the fact that the Archive Boxes were multi-case incentives automatically rule out Factory Sets? Since they are generally considered a retailer incentive.[/quote] IMO - not really. I don't follow your logic. What difference does it make how the box was distributed?

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Sat, 04 Apr 2009 14:13:22 GMT

They are ruled out as Factory Sets because they are boxes of sealed packs, not sets at all. They are the same art as a sealed box, just with a sticker marking them as the jackpot of all boxes. Also, not all archives boxes contain all inserts. The big deal about a Women of Marvel archives box was that it contained 10 sketch cards instead of 1, and three of the artists were exclusive to the archive boxes. But when you open it, it is still sealed packs, you have to bust the packs to get the cards, and the pack coalition is the same as the rest of the boxes. Also, while most are case incentive, there are random Archive boxes in normal distribution, most of the time because they make say 50 Archive boxes but don't get 50 orders for 12 cases. So the rest go in the normal cases, making them very rare but possible to find the same as a normal box. A variant of the box seems very reasonable for this.

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Sat, 04 Apr 2009 23:53:30 GMT

I think there may be more than one type of "archive box", which will only add to the confusion of this question. In sports cards, what ntkeith was just refering to was(is?) considered a "hot box", due to the over abundance of chase cards, and "hot packs" which contained only chase and no base cards. From what abydosorphan explained to me, the specific box(es?) being refered to in her post don't have packs, and contain nothing but all the chase cards in a particular set. That's why when she asked me, I referred her here, considering that it is a "Promo" "Factory Set" of "Gimmick/Chase cards" where "Scarcity/Printing will trump this..." may apply. In my opinion, it fell under too many options to make a clean call without other input.

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Sun, 05 Apr 2009 01:44:44 GMT

The term "Archive Box" is specific to the company "Rittenhouse Archives". My explanation of comparing it to a "Hot Box" like people call really loaded boxes in sports cards is just making the comparison to something some of us know too. Everything I have known about "Archive Boxes" is that while the inserts may be different, I understand them to be the same as the boxes of packs. If earlier versions, say like the Stargate ones are different, then they should be treated differently. My opinion is for those that contain packs, so if they didn't contain packs, then a different answer should be found for those.

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Sun, 05 Apr 2009 11:54:36 GMT

Sent an email to Rittenhouse Archives to see if they can provide an answer to what exactly is in an Archive Box. ([i]Edit - Rittenhouse Archives has replied that ALL Archive Boxes have packs in them.[/i]) [b]the Guidelines Committee has ruled that Archive Boxes should be listed as a variant of a Sealed Box.[/b] Please add the appropriate information in both the Caption field ("Archive Box") and the Item Bio field (describe the contents) to identify it as an Archive Box. Thank you.

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Sun, 05 Apr 2009 17:58:31 GMT

As for whether or not the cards within an Archive box come in packs or are packaged otherwise, I have no idea - I've honestly never opened one. As for what they contain, as you can see in the link below - from a series other than Stargate - an Archive box from Rittenhouse contains ALL of the pack-inserted bonus cards for their respective series. http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2008/05/24/archivebox.jpg

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Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:21:05 GMT

Guidelines updated to reflect inclusion of "Reprint" within parenthesis to differentiate an original Base Set and a reprint Base Set.

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Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:49:11 GMT

Guidelines updated to add the following update to the generic cover title for trading cards: "The place for issue #7 will ALWAYS be the advertising sell sheet or advertising pack inserts (may be a single card size item or a fold out sheet)." Irony: One year to the DAY I posted the Trading Card Guidelines. =d>

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Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:30:21 GMT

geez now i know why i dont collect cards you end up going blind deaf and dumb doing this but i aploud all of you but way too much work

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Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:16:04 GMT

Updated to include "Policy on Quoting other Resources"

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Mon, 01 Feb 2010 13:31:22 GMT

Updated "Gimmick/Chase Cards" section. Added "Unredeemed Mail in Redemption Cards" Section.

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Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:07:05 GMT

Updated Characters section re: real/fictional organizations and character titles.

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Mon, 19 Dec 2022 15:42:45 GMT

I am a very big fan of various comics, so this information is very valuable to me. Thank you.