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			<description><![CDATA[I'm pretty secxited about this. It comes out Wednesday and even though I havnt been able to afford as many comics as I'd like to latley I'll deffinatly be at my LCS when it opens for this one.

I'm glad to see that this is a project that Smith is actually going to finish aswell. I still thinks it's kind of funny how he just never finished Dardevil: Target.

Hopefully Cacophany lives up to its hype though.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[Hopefully that means he already has most of it in the can.

...and rumor has it he may just go back and finish "Target".]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[Dude, anything by Kevin is gonna be primo....]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:47:16 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[does anyone have the slightest idea what this is going to be about.. I mean I have heard tons of hype for it, but all of the hype is KEVIN SMITH KEVIN SMITH KEVIN SMITH... which believe me is enough to get me in the door... but I was just curious if anyone knew anything about this.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:01:06 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=meangreenninjame]does anyone have the slightest idea what this is going to be about.. I mean I have heard tons of hype for it, but all of the hype is KEVIN SMITH KEVIN SMITH KEVIN SMITH... which believe me is enough to get me in the door... but I was just curious if anyone knew anything about this.[/quote]

[img]http://www.dccomics.com/media/product/1/0/10523_400x600.jpg[/img]

Written by Kevin Smith ; Art by Walt J. Flanagan and Sandra Hope; Cover by Adam Kubert; Variant Cover by Andy Kubert; Sketch cover by Andy Kubert

Best-selling comic book writer/director Kevin Smith (GREEN ARROW, Daredevil, Clerks) steps into Gotham City to write this 3-part miniseries event! Practically from out of nowhere, the mysterious masked killer known as Onomatopoeia returns and sets his sights – and sounds – against The Caped Crusader!]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:43:38 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Why would anyone by any comic series by Kevin Smith? His track record is horrible! He puts the comic fans on the back-burner. His issues take months to finish, years, or never even comes out. Why would you guys stand for such disrespect and continue to support the guy, at least in the comic field?

-Nate-]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:11:52 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=BurningDoom]Why would anyone by any comic series by Kevin Smith? His track record is horrible! He puts the comic fans on the back-burner. His issues take months to finish, years, or never even comes out. Why would you guys stand for such disrespect and continue to support the guy, at least in the comic field?

-Nate-[/quote]

He can disrespect comic fans all he wants as far as I'm concerned. He writes good storys. Guardian Devil was awsome and so was Quiver. Hell, I really liked the one issue of Target that came out.

I understand where your comming from, but I really like his work. Not that I'm any kind of Kevin Smith superfan who buys all his shit and talks about how cool he is or anything, but like I said, I like his work.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[Reminds me of a discussion at the LCS. Everyone who says that Frank Miller is on the exterior a ghoulish, hardened man compared to the jovial, accessible personality of Marv Wolfman. 

Who really cares? Miller is a better writer.

Kevin Smith hails from the land of the all-time greats. As long as he delivers, treatment of fans should be secondary.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:27:04 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I picked it up today but I havnt read it yet, it looks pretty darn good!

The first thing I said when I saw the cover was [i]"Oo, Batman looks angry"[/i] so I bought it. lol.
Then I realised he always does, but nonetheless, I hope its gonna be awesome!
The art is cool so I hope the story is as good.
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			<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:29:03 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I bought it yesterday and thought it was pretty good. It should be a good story.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:41:38 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=BurningDoom]Why would anyone by any comic series by Kevin Smith? His track record is horrible! He puts the comic fans on the back-burner. His issues take months to finish, years, or never even comes out. Why would you guys stand for such disrespect and continue to support the guy, at least in the comic field?

-Nate-[/quote]

Um, what?  

You realize that the guy has his own comic shop, and even sold his comic collection to help fund Clerks?

With the exception of Daredevil: The Target, he's finished every comic project he's started, and the only one that was significantly late was Spider-Man: The Evil That Men Can Do.

Your comments are completely unfounded and ridiculously ignorant.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:41:34 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=abachniv][quote=BurningDoom]Why would anyone by any comic series by Kevin Smith? His track record is horrible! He puts the comic fans on the back-burner. His issues take months to finish, years, or never even comes out. Why would you guys stand for such disrespect and continue to support the guy, at least in the comic field?

-Nate-[/quote]

Um, what?  

You realize that the guy has his own comic shop, and even sold his comic collection to help fund Clerks?

With the exception of Daredevil: The Target, he's finished every comic project he's started, and the only one that was significantly late was Spider-Man: The Evil That Men Can Do.

Your comments are completely unfounded and ridiculously ignorant.[/quote]

That's why I added the "at least in the comics field" bit. I can't deny his awesomeness when it comes to movies. But I stand by my comments otherwise. I think he completely disrespects fans. When he's late, he's not just a little late, he completely leaves it then comes back to it later on.

And celebritism-type disregard for his actions is wrong. Just because he's famous, doesn't mean he has different standards he has to abide by.

-Nate-]]></description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:35:15 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=BurningDoom]Why would anyone by any comic series by Kevin Smith? His track record is horrible! He puts the comic fans on the back-burner. His issues take months to finish, years, or never even comes out. Why would you guys stand for such disrespect and continue to support the guy, at least in the comic field?

-Nate-[/quote]

I agree ! After the whole Spiderman/Blackcat thing I don't think I'll throw my hard earned (and more limited then ever ) cash Mr.Smith's way for a story that might take a year(or ever ) to finish.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:44:50 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=Dementia5]
Kevin Smith hails from the land of the all-time greats. As long as he delivers, treatment of fans should be secondary.[/quote]

I don't think treatment of the fans is secondary.While being the world's nicest guy doesn't automatically make you a great writer it doesn't hurt either.
For years the appeal of Kevin Smith was that he is a fan just like us,a fan that made it big but still one of us.I think somewhere along the way he lost sight of what he onced loved and what it meant to be a fan.Without fans there is no comic,I don't care if it is written by a big time celebrity.
Now I'm not saying that the fans are always right and that writers and artists should do everything we want them to but on the same note we shouldn't be the furthest thing from the writers or artist mind either.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:47:41 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[anybody read the issue yet? i won't say anything because there isn't a spoiler warning at the beginning of the thread....but i will say it was quite...interesting]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:37:17 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I've read it and will say it is a pretty interesting story. I like the artwork except for the way the joker is drawn. He just looks weird.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:06:27 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=Nanosplicer]I've read it and will say it is a pretty interesting story. I like the artwork except for the way the joker is drawn. He just looks weird.[/quote]

too cartoony right? thats what i was thinking]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:14:05 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=infinitespeech][quote=Nanosplicer]I've read it and will say it is a pretty interesting story. I like the artwork except for the way the joker is drawn. He just looks weird.[/quote]

too cartoony right? thats what i was thinking[/quote]

I guess thats the problem, it's hard to say. He just doesn't sit well with me. However, everything else looks great.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:32:06 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[who cares how he treats fans, its not like hes doing anything to physically hurt them in anyway. people jst need to harden up, if you read comics then forget who wrote them and all the gossip and issues and read the comic for what it is....and a comic by one of the best writters of our time should be bought. immediatly. lol]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:35:39 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I read this over the weekend and it was the best in the pile. Leave it to Smith to not pull any punches.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:46:02 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Contradicting my earlier review of this book on the CCL database ([i]which I posted as soon as Id read the issue only one time through[/i]), I am now going to say ([i]having re-read it about 3 or 4 times and having actually THOUGHT ABOUT IT)[/i] you should not pick up this book.

[url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/Issue_Review.aspx?article=727be971-2bb6-49a0-b18c-efd26666cb97]For my initial review - click here[/url]

It wasnt terrible, but it wasnt good. It was [i]'run of the mill' [/i]okay, with some parts which seem funny at first, but after re-reading, become apparant that they are just plain stupid, dumb and not that funny at all.

My views on the artwork remain the same.

I would like to add however, that the opening bit where Deadshot is with The Joker chatting and then his encounter with Onamatapia, and the consequences of that 'encounter' ([i]is how I would best put it without spoiling anything)[/i] was probably the most poorly written bit of comic strip in the whole book in my opinion.
I felt the conversation went on for hours ([i]although the idea of the conversation was good[/i]), in the time it took Deadshot to do what we was doing ([i]those who read will know what he was doing[/i]), he was able to inform the Joker all about life in Gotham since he had been away.
Then the fight scene... huh? Are you kidding me, it was over so quickly and it was over in the most ridiculous way as well, as if Smith didnt know how to end the fight so he just decided to take the easy way out and just land this one on us.

I didnt like the bit with Batman in either after having re-read it, far to rushed and the focus on batman as a character seemed.. weak.. nothing more than weak..

Anyway, having read this a few times, I feel there were more bits I didnt like about it than those which I did.

I would say this is Gotham for incredibly twisted kiddies.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:38:02 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I decided to give this a read because of all the hype on here, and plus my friend bought it so I read his copy. Now I've never read any of Kevin Smith's stories so I didn't know what to expect. I thought it was ok, I would give it a 6/10. I'm not particularly fond of Kevin Smith's rendition of the Joker. Other than that I thought it was ok, dialogue was pretty good. The art was good except for, again, the Joker. They just didn't get him right IMO. I'll read the other two if my friend gets them.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:45:54 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Id have to say to everyone, re-read it and then think about it again if you dont do that already with your comics. You might change your mind.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:52:44 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[What peculiar advice... to re-read a book in an effort to see if it is [i]less [/i]than what you thought it was?

For my druthers, if I like something I'm pretty happy with that. ]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=Dementia5]What peculiar advice... to re-read a book in an effort to see if it is [i]less [/i]than what you thought it was?

For my druthers, if I like something I'm pretty happy with that. [/quote]

Well I didnt mean to give advice, I meant re-read it [i](like I thought everyone does with comics?)[/i] and see what you think of it.
I know most people on here dont just read their comics once and then leave them, so if you have re-read it and still like it thats fine, its just after re-reading it I didnt like it as much, I thought that those people who didnt do that with this should and just see whats they think of it afterwards.

I wasnt saying people [b]shouldnt [/b]like it by any means. I just wanted to know what people thought of it after more than one read.

I hope this makes more sense.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:29:49 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Quite a feat of back-pedaling there... but I tell you what, I will re-read it and post my comments here at a later time.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=Dementia5]Quite a feat of back-pedaling there... but I tell you what, I will re-read it and post my comments here at a later time.[/quote]

Back-pedaling where? With my opinion of the comic after re-reading? If thats what you mean then yes it was a rather incredible feat of back-pedaling. If you mean my previous post to you latest one, then all I can say is I wasnt making excuses. lol.

But anyway, well dont do it if you dont want too. But okay, I look forward to hearing what you have to say.
Humour me if you must. lol.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[Don't we all? 

KIDDING.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:44:15 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=Dementia5]Don't we all? 

KIDDING.[/quote]

:))

All this talk of Batman Cacophony makes me want to re-read it [b]again[/b]! Urgh.

[u][i]DAMN YOU KEVIN SMITH, DAMN YOU![/i][/u]]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[Read it and didn't care for it.Like Rob I didn't find it horrible but I didn't find it great either.Unlike others on here I didn't like the art at all.As much hype as this book was getting on here from the Smith fans you would have thought this book would have been better than it was.I was so unimpressed that I don't care if I read the following issues.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=CCRobWell I didnt mean to give advice, I meant re-read it [i](like I thought everyone does with comics?)[/i] and see what you think of it.
I know most people on here dont just read their comics once and then leave them, so if you have re-read it and still like it thats fine, its just after re-reading it I didnt like it as much, I thought that those people who didnt do that with this should and just see whats they think of it afterwards.[/quote]

Well, I think that it is not usual to re-read a comic shortly after you have read it, except if you have not understood something or it was so fantastic you HAVE TO read it twice. 

Of course, as a collector you plan to re-read your comics at some time, even though it will get harder the bigger your collection gets (I am well over 10.000 comics and 90% have only been read once) and they will be only re-read after quite some time. 

I mean, if you watch the best movie some times in a short time, you will start to find goofs and dislike some things about it. If you watch it once and then again after some time, you will normally like it like the first time, as you will concentrate on the overall movie again and not on the details. Same goes for comics.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[I'm pretty sure I read he already has like the first 4 issues done, so he should stay on schedule here.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[I got my copy today and thought it was actually really good, a little darker and ruder but thats what Iv been waiting for with Batman, also I thought it was fair straight forward and didnt really get confused at all. 
(the anal joke made me laugh for a while aswell)]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=skywalkeryanni]I got my copy today and thought it was actually really good, [b]a little darker[/b] and ruder but thats what Iv been waiting for with Batman, also I thought it was fair straight forward and didnt really get confused at all. 
(the anal joke made me laugh for a while aswell)[/quote]

A little darker? I thought it was the complete opposite of dark, all the batman comics on sale at the moment are probably darker than this was.

Do you mean twisted? Because this was very twisted, i'll give it that.
If you did infact mean darker then thats fine, but I just feel it wasnt dark at all. Not even in terms of artwork.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[What shade of darkness are we talking? 500 Lumens? Because the other Batman titles shine at about a magnitude -4.3, depending on the wavelength. 

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			<description><![CDATA[well i really havent read alot of batman for a lo0ng time so I was sorta relating it back to earlier comics Iv read as im so use to batman being more like a superman comic haha (light and happy and a little Campy). and i was sorta leaning towards twisted, I think. now im only half a little confused.  I just thought it was a good book.

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			<description><![CDATA[Is anyone else finding Cacaphany to be very subpar and a waste of excitment?

Like, I was expecting Smith to do great things with Batman here. Looking at his track record, his Daredevil stuff was AWSOME his Green Arrow work was really good, but I'm reading Cacophany and I see Smith's sence of humor coming through. It's kind of funny at points, but it's not very interesting. Batman is coming off very...trying to think of how to put it....bland. This is one of the most flavorless Batman (Batmen?) I've read in a while. Smith is heavily focusing more on the Joker than he is Batman it seems.

But again. It is kind of funny. And Smith's use of Maxie Zues has to be a joke in itself. This reads almost like a kind of super hero satire.
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			<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:58:17 GMT</pubDate>
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