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			<description><![CDATA[We just voted over in the Approver lounge to work on consolidating characters who have, for various reasons, changed their "real name" over the years. The most common reason for this change is marriage.

The way we will be handling these combined character names will be by listing the various names seperated by a slash (/). In addition to merging names, we will also be editing some existing merged names to a more proper form.

This purpose of this thread is to seek out candidates for the merger, and to host any discussion needed on the proper form a particular merger should take. I'll kick it off by listing the names in the database that have already been pointed out, along with my suggestions for the combined/updated name. I'll maintain this list as the discussion continues.

On some of the larger mergers, I think we can leverage Mr. Miracle's scripting ability to perform the merges and save us hundreds of edits. The smaller merges can be handled individually when we've figured out exactly what the merged name should be.

[b]Source Name(s) -> New Entry[/b]
[*]Janet Van Dyne, Janet Pym -> Janet Van Dyne / Janet Pym
[*]Marlo Chandler Jones -> Marlo Chandler / Marlo Jones
[*]Betty Ross, Betty Ross-Banner -> Betty Ross / Betty Banner
[*]Charity, Charity O'Dare -> Charity / Charity O'Dare
[*]Betty Brant Leeds -> Betty Brant / Betty Leeds
[*]Jean Grey-Summers -> Jean Grey / Jean Summers
[*]James (Jim) "Logan" Howlett -> Logan / James "Jim" Howlett
[*]Jennifer "Jen" Walters -> Jennifer "Jen" Walters / Jennifer "Jen" Jameson
[*]Susan "Sue" Storm-Richards -> Susan "Sue" Storm / Susan "Sue" Richards
[*]Mary Jane Watson, Mary Jane Watson-Parker -> Mary Jane Watson / Mary Jane Watson-Parker
[*]Lyja, Lyja Storm -> Lyja / Lyja Storm
[*]Elizabeth "Liz" Allan Osborn -> Elizabeth "Liz" Allan / Elizabeth "Liz" Osborn
[*]Tim Drake -> Tim Drake / Tim Wayne
[*]Dr. Marla Madison, Doctor Marla Jameson -> Doctor Marla Madison / Doctor Marla Jameson

[b]Update[/b]: I've submitted change requests on all the above up to Liz Allen.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[Only one thought here, for the sake of shortness on the entries, what about no repeating first names??

"Jennifer "Jen" Walters / Jennifer "Jen" Jameson" becomes...
"Jennifer "Jen" Walters / Jameson"

Before we had to repeat, because that is the only way the software search worked.  But now that isn't true.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[As the first names (or first+shortened+middle) names get longer, I agree, but for the shorter names, I just think "Betty Brant / Betty Leeds" is easier to understand. So I'm not sure which way to go. What do the others think?]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[I see the value at the longer names, for sure, and see your point, but if we go one way or another, they all should be that.  That way no one has to decide which way should it be.

I don't mind long names, but that was the biggest objection to combining them, so I was looking for an answer that helped that idea out.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[Also, being careful not to mix different characters here.  Like in the Ultimate Universe, Wand and Pietro are Lehnsherr, in the normal universe they are Maximoff.  These should not be combined, and while this kinda applies to Janet Pym, she is better off combined because she has been called both in the same universe.  So only those that are mixed in the same universe should be combined, then the issue of different universes is dealt with in a separate step, like has been discussed before, when the Character DB gets an overhaul.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=sgriffin][b]Source Name(s) -> New Entry[/b]
[*]Janet Van Dyne, Janet Pym -> Janet Van Dyne / Janet Pym
[*]Marlo Chandler Jones -> Marlo Chandler / Marlo Jones
[*]Betty Ross, Betty Ross-Banner -> Betty Ross / Betty Banner
[*]Charity, Charity O'Dare -> Charity / Charity O'Dare
[*]Betty Brant Leeds -> Betty Brant / Betty Leeds
[*]Jean Grey-Summers -> Jean Grey / Jean Summers
[*]Tim Drake -> Tim Drake / Tim Wayne
[*]James (Jim) "Logan" Howlett -> Logan / James (Jim) Howlett
[*]Jennifer "Jen" Walters -> Jennifer "Jen" Walters / Jennifer "Jen" Jameson[/quote]

[*]Susan "Sue" Storm-Richards -> Susan "Sue" Storm / Susan "Sue" Richards


And I think the full name needs to be repeated. I found Keith's example of Jennifer "Jen" Walters / Jameson confusing.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[size=6]Mary Jane Watson, Mary Jane Watson-Parker -> Mary Jane Watson / Mary Jane Watson-Parker

For some reason, all the "Mary Jane Watson" characters became invalid with directions to use "Mary Jane Watson-Parker". That is incorrect because it changed all her appearances before she got married (which never really happened!?!) to the married name. She needs to have a slashed name.[/size]]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=Spider-Man][size=6]Mary Jane Watson, Mary Jane Watson-Parker -> Mary Jane Watson / Mary Jane Watson-Parker

For some reason, all the "Mary Jane Watson" characters became invalid with directions to use "Mary Jane Watson-Parker". That is incorrect because it changed all her appearances before she got married (which never really happened!?!) to the married name. She needs to have a slashed name.[/size][/quote]
Been waiting for someone to suggest that one. I added it to the list.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[short reminder -- there's a hard data limit of 255 characters for a character name (and over 100 characters starts looking REEEEAAAAL ugly).]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[So far we're at a max of 48 characters. Unless She-Hulk gets married to John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt we should be fine.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[most women go by the current name of the person they are married to not all of them.If your going to used married names do it right. Looks stupid doing it with all the married names, just my opinion nothing more]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=Sirs]most women go by the current name of the person they are married to not all of them.If your going to used married names do it right. Looks stupid doing it with all the married names, just my opinion nothing more[/quote]
I have no idea what you're trying to suggest. Could you give an example of how you would "do it right" instead of just complaining that it looks stupid?]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=Sirs]most women go by the current name of the person they are married to not all of them.If your going to used married names do it right. Looks stupid doing it with all the married names, just my opinion nothing more[/quote]That may be true, however using only Susan "Sue" Richards would only work in noting comics she appears after marriage. She was not Richards in the early issues yet so should not be listed as such. Having the merged listing does show that this is the same person.

On another issue why is it [color=blue]Logan / James (Jim) Howlett[/color] and not [color=blue]Logan / James "Jim" Howlett[/color], there seems to be an inconsistency here.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=DaLeah96]On another issue why is it [color=blue]Logan / James (Jim) Howlett[/color] and not [color=blue]Logan / James "Jim" Howlett[/color], there seems to be an inconsistency here.[/quote]
This sort of constructive feedback is exactly why I put the topic up and requested comments on it instead of just going out on my own and hacking up the database. Thanks Dale - I fixed it.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=Sirs]most women go by the current name of the person they are married to not all of them.If your going to used married names do it right. Looks stupid doing it with all the married names, just my opinion nothing more[/quote]

If what your talking about is adding it to anyone who gets married, that is correct, we wouldn't.  No name get changed until someone calls them that, or the Publisher starts using it.  Did Lois Lane ever go by Lois Kent??  If no, then it does not get added.  But Jen is credited as Jameson on her trading cards and the Marvel site, so that is enough.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=sgriffin]So far we're at a max of 48 characters. Unless She-Hulk gets married to John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt we should be fine.[/quote]

[size=6]Here's a long one already in the database:

Abigail "Abby" Arcane / Abigail "Abby" Cable / Abigail "Abby" Holland


And thanks, now I have that stupid song in my head!![/size]]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=sgriffin][quote=Sirs]most women go by the current name of the person they are married to not all of them.If your going to used married names do it right. Looks stupid doing it with all the married names, just my opinion nothing more[/quote]
I have no idea what you're trying to suggest. Could you give an example of how you would "do it right" instead of just complaining that it looks stupid?[/quote] 
What I meant is not useing all the last names of marriages before I don't mean separately, I mean all of them in one instance understand?]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=Sirs][quote=sgriffin][quote=Sirs]most women go by the current name of the person they are married to not all of them.If your going to used married names do it right. Looks stupid doing it with all the married names, just my opinion nothing more[/quote]
I have no idea what you're trying to suggest. Could you give an example of how you would "do it right" instead of just complaining that it looks stupid?[/quote] 
What I meant is not useing all the last names of marriages before I don't mean separately, I mean all of them in one instance understand?[/quote]

[size=6]Do you mean only use the current married name without any slashes?

That would not work because it would create a new character and the links to the former, unmarried character may get lost.[/size]]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=ntkeith]Also, being careful not to mix different characters here.  Like in the Ultimate Universe, Wand and Pietro are Lehnsherr, in the normal universe they are Maximoff.  These should not be combined, and while this kinda applies to Janet Pym, she is better off combined because she has been called both in the same universe.  So only those that are mixed in the same universe should be combined, then the issue of different universes is dealt with in a separate step, like has been discussed before, when the Character DB gets an overhaul.[/quote]
I'm with you on this point. Especially in the case of the Wasp. In the Ultimate Universe she is only referred to as 'Janet Pym'. As far as I know, there hasn't been a mention of her maiden name. So combining Van Dyne and Pym might lead to unnecessary misleading data.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=icarus201][quote=ntkeith]Also, being careful not to mix different characters here.  Like in the Ultimate Universe, Wand and Pietro are Lehnsherr, in the normal universe they are Maximoff.  These should not be combined, and while this kinda applies to Janet Pym, she is better off combined because she has been called both in the same universe.  So only those that are mixed in the same universe should be combined, then the issue of different universes is dealt with in a separate step, like has been discussed before, when the Character DB gets an overhaul.[/quote]
I'm with you on this point. Especially in the case of the Wasp. In the Ultimate Universe she is only referred to as 'Janet Pym'. As far as I know, there hasn't been a mention of her maiden name. So combining Van Dyne and Pym might lead to unnecessary misleading data.[/quote]
Strike that. I checked Marvel.com. They've got Van Dyne listed as her maiden name. Should have checked first.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[There are examples in the Ultimate world of different names (Magneto's kids, "Felicity Hardy", Longshot has a name) so any of those get separate.  But any mixing in the pool and you are not getting away dry.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=Sirs][quote=sgriffin][quote=Sirs]most women go by the current name of the person they are married to not all of them.If your going to used married names do it right. Looks stupid doing it with all the married names, just my opinion nothing more[/quote]
I have no idea what you're trying to suggest. Could you give an example of how you would "do it right" instead of just complaining that it looks stupid?[/quote] 
What I meant is not useing all the last names of marriages before I don't mean separately, I mean all of them in one instance understand?[/quote]
Nope - still no clue what you're trying to say. Again - could you give an example of what I've suggested that "looks stupid" and how you would do it?]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=icarus201][quote=icarus201][quote=ntkeith]Also, being careful not to mix different characters here.  Like in the Ultimate Universe, Wand and Pietro are Lehnsherr, in the normal universe they are Maximoff.  These should not be combined, and while this kinda applies to Janet Pym, she is better off combined because she has been called both in the same universe.  So only those that are mixed in the same universe should be combined, then the issue of different universes is dealt with in a separate step, like has been discussed before, when the Character DB gets an overhaul.[/quote]
I'm with you on this point. Especially in the case of the Wasp. In the Ultimate Universe she is only referred to as 'Janet Pym'. As far as I know, there hasn't been a mention of her maiden name. So combining Van Dyne and Pym might lead to unnecessary misleading data.[/quote]
Strike that. I checked Marvel.com. They've got Van Dyne listed as her maiden name. Should have checked first.[/quote]
I wouldn't know about the Ultimate characters. Refuse to read anything Ultimate. But Janet Van Dyne was married to Pym for a while in the real Marvel universe.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=sgriffin]I wouldn't know about the Ultimate characters. Refuse to read anything Ultimate. But Janet Van Dyne was married to Pym for a while in the real Marvel universe.[/quote]
Hey, you should break that rule! You should at least borrow a TPB of Ultimates vol. 1 & 2. It should change your mind about these titles. I won't say anything further. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=sgriffin][quote=Sirs][quote=sgriffin][quote=Sirs]most women go by the current name of the person they are married to not all of them.If your going to used married names do it right. Looks stupid doing it with all the married names, just my opinion nothing more[/quote]
I have no idea what you're trying to suggest. Could you give an example of how you would "do it right" instead of just complaining that it looks stupid?[/quote] 
What I meant is not useing all the last names of marriages before I don't mean separately, I mean all of them in one instance understand?[/quote]
Nope - still no clue what you're trying to say. Again - could you give an example of what I've suggested that "looks stupid" and how you would do it?[/quote]
Nevermind was a misunderstanding on my part]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[size=6]Here is another one that needs a split name:

Elizabeth "Liz" Allan Osborn.

Should be: Elizabeth "Liz" Allan / Elizabeth "Liz" Osborn.[/size]]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[size=6]Are you still working on these sgriffin or should I submit a Change Request myself? I thought I would go through here first to keep the changes all together. 

I have submitted one to change Dr. Marla Madison to Doctor Marla Madison.

She needs to be combined with her married self after that correction is approved.


Doctor Marla Madison / Doctor Marla Jameson[/size]]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[Any one out there that is a married name, is 100% safe for anyone to submit.  This forum can stay active for any that need a conversation about possible merges.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=Spider-Man][size=6]Are you still working on these sgriffin or should I submit a Change Request myself? I thought I would go through here first to keep the changes all together.[/quote]
You can definitely submit them if you're following the format we established. I added her to the list so we can track that she's been completed.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=Spider-Man][size=6]Here is another one that needs a split name:

Elizabeth "Liz" Allan Osborn.

Should be: Elizabeth "Liz" Allan / Elizabeth "Liz" Osborn.[/size][/quote]

I have been seeing these and have to ask this question (sorry if it has been asked before):

In this example, I get that both last names need to be present, but here (as in all of the others I have seen) the first name is needlessly repeated. Its redundant information.

Why not:  Elizabeth "Liz" Allan / Osborn?

Some of these get lengthy with the women who marry multiple times. Look at the entry for the character DC's Swamp Thing. Our database has:

Abigail "Abby" Arcane / Abigail "Abby" Cable / Abigail "Abby" Holland

when it should be

Abigail "Abby" Arcane / Cable / Holland.

Am I crazy or missing something here?]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[...and since when am I ranked "Large Noggin"?  8-[ :-d ]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[I have a question. Why did it take as much as two and a half weeks for my change request for the invalidation of 'Barbara Morse' and revision to 'Barbara "Bobbi" Morse Barton' to go through? I'm asking because it was approved sometime today, but apart from the invalid entry, there are now two active listings for the same character; [b]Barbara "Bobbi" Morse / Barbara "Bobbi" Barton[/b] and [b]Barbara "Bobbi" Morse / Barbara "Bobbi" Morse Barton[/b]. At a guess, someone else came along made a similar change request and got approved immediately. So The_Valiant_One messed up and passed both of them through.
I don't know why I should even care anyway, as it's starting to become abundantly clear that my contributions aren't really that important in the grand scheme of things. ]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[Rachel Grey -> Rachel Summers / Rachel Grey
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			<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 20:03:21 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=icarus201]I have a question. Why did it take as much as two and a half weeks for my change request for the invalidation of 'Barbara Morse' and revision to 'Barbara "Bobbi" Morse Barton' to go through? I'm asking because it was approved sometime today, but apart from the invalid entry, there are now two active listings for the same character; [b]Barbara "Bobbi" Morse / Barbara "Bobbi" Barton[/b] and [b]Barbara "Bobbi" Morse / Barbara "Bobbi" Morse Barton[/b]. At a guess, someone else came along made a similar change request and got approved immediately. So The_Valiant_One messed up and passed both of them through.
I don't know why I should even care anyway, as it's starting to become abundantly clear that my contributions aren't really that important in the grand scheme of things. [/quote]

icarus, I have had some name alteration submissions that have been in the que for a long while, and you should keep 2 things in mind:

1. names are in the CR1 system still, and they ALL wait for the minimaly staffed CCL to approve them all. The Valiant One does his best, but it takes him a while to flush these out.

2. the names issue (as evidenced by this thread) has been an open topic for 'what should we do', and as such, I think that Valiant was waiting for a verdict.

I am sorry that you are feeling underappreciated, because I have always thought your work rocks, and wished you getting a bad vibe out of your experience.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:49:16 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I want to present a contrary opinion to the way I see this thing going.

I personally think that redundantly putting first and nick names, the way the data is currently displayed, is off-putting, difficult to digest, confusing.

When I look at the samples presented, I have no problems understanding

Abigail "Abby" Arcane / Cable / Holland

whereas, when I see

Abigale "Abby" Arcane / Abigale "Abby" Cable / Abigale "Abby" Holland

I have to look twice, because I am generally seeing it in the software view, where the window has a line length of some 25 characters, putting a name on 3 lines where it is supposed to fit on one.

that's my opinion.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:55:29 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=Warlock]Abigail "Abby" Arcane / Cable / Holland[/quote]
Well - when I read that, my first thought is we have three names:
[*]Abigail "Abby" Arcane
[*]Cable
[*]Holland

So while I understand the goal of getting the names shorter, I'm not convinced it makes things any clearer.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 11:06:38 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I have a question to the programmers about this. How hard would it be to put some kind of mask on a characters name?
Example
You search for Jen Walters and it displays all the comics with Jen Walters in it but also all the Jenifer Walters, She-Hulk, Jenifer Jameson etc. etc. I know something like this would not work for characters that changed their code names, I for one would not want to look for all the comics Binary was in and end up with a complete listing of Ms. Marvel but I do think it's something to think about and mess with.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 11:28:16 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=8263chrictopher]I have a question to the programmers about this. How hard would it be to put some kind of mask on a characters name?
Example
You search for Jen Walters and it displays all the comics with Jen Walters in it but also all the Jenifer Walters, She-Hulk, Jenifer Jameson etc. etc. I know something like this would not work for characters that changed their code names, I for one would not want to look for all the comics Binary was in and end up with a complete listing of Ms. Marvel but I do think it's something to think about and mess with.[/quote]

Currently, searches come back with anything in a field.  So take...

"Eddie Brock"

If you searched "Ed Brock", that is good.  If you do "ed br", he would show up there.  If you string it together "eddiebrock", then you have to hit every letter, but if you put in parts of each name, with spaces, it works.

As far as linking "Eddie Brock" to "Venom", that is the next step.  They already have plans for it, and will be bringing that to us on the shorter list rather than the longer list.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 11:40:30 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=sgriffin][quote=Warlock]Abigail "Abby" Arcane / Cable / Holland[/quote]
Well - when I read that, my first thought is we have three names:
[*]Abigail "Abby" Arcane
[*]Cable
[*]Holland

So while I understand the goal of getting the names shorter, I'm not convinced it makes things any clearer.[/quote]

I thought of this for a minute, and when I pulled up "Invisible Girl / Woman", now I agree with you.  I don't think this looks good at all, and is slightly confusing.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 10:20:42 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[For a proper name, you might consider Abigale "Abby" Arcane - Cable - Holland, though for a nom de whatevah, that would be much less workable.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 10:37:59 GMT</pubDate>
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