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			<title>Michael Bay is Re-Imagining the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles</title>
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[quote][b]Michael Bay is Re-Imagining the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles[/b]

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While it's not news that the Hollywood heavyweight's Platinum Dunes production company is tackling Paramount Pictures' "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" film reboot for a December 2013 release, specific details -- outside of "Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol" screenwriters Josh Applebaum and Andrew Nemec writing the project -- have been slim. According to StuffWeLike.com, at this past week's Nickelodeon Upfront Michael Bay revealed the basic premise of the live-action film, which will likely ruffle the feathers of the Turtles' fanbase.

"Kids are going to believe, one day, that these turtles do exist, when we are done with this movie," said Bay. "These Turtles are from an alien race, and they are going to be tough, edgy, funny and completely lovable."

As those who grew up with the TMNT in their various incarnations know, "tough, edgy, funny and completely lovable" isn't far from the mark, but transforming the origin of Leonardo, Raphael, Michelangelo and Donatello from "pet store amphibians dipped in radioactive goo" to "members of an alien race" is not only likely to upset longtime Turtles fans, but also seems to leave the appropriateness of the descriptive "Mutant" somewhat up in the air.

Check out the video clip from Bay's presentation below[/quote]

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			<description><![CDATA[Bay has no respect for fans of the movie properties he takes over.  He just does whatever he thinks would be cool.  Like flames on Optimus Prime.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2012 14:22:36 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=ErrantEntertainment]Why does the top of the sewer lid look like the Mayan calendar?[/quote]

I'm sure that has to do with the alien origin. The bottom half of the lid looks normal.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2012 14:32:59 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=BurningDoom][quote=ErrantEntertainment]Why does the top of the sewer lid look like the Mayan calendar?[/quote]

I'm sure that has to do with the alien origin. The bottom half of the lid looks normal.[/quote]

I'm pretty sure that's the logo from the CG animated movie that came out 5 or 6 years ago.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2012 14:50:56 GMT</pubDate>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:04:10 GMT</pubDate>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:27:00 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=KingZombie]Bay has no respect for fans of the movie properties he takes over.  [b]He just does whatever he thinks would be cool.[/b]  Like flames on Optimus Prime.[/quote]

No.  He does what he thinks the average moviegoer would think is cool.  You say Michael Bay has no respect for fans.  To some extent, you're right.  But that's okay with me, because when Sam Raimi said he was making Spider-Man "as a fan," he was lying.  Which is fine with me, because when Bryan Singer said he was making X-Men for the fans, he was lying too.  Currently, Christopher Nolan will be lying when he says he's making Batman "for the fans."  My point is that none of these filmmakers made these movies strictly with the fans in mind.  These movies--and they were all (mostly) enjoyable, by the way--were all made with the General Moviegoing Audience in mind.  These films cannot be profitable if they are strictly aimed at the die-hard fans.  And the average moviegoer thinks that lava, flames, and fire is cool.  Also, when someone tricks out their car and puts a fancy paintjob on it, chances are they will put flames on it.  We've all seen it more times than we can count.  So that's why there are flames on Optimus Prime.

How does this relate to the new proposed origin of the Ninja Turtles?  Well, put yourself in the position of the Average Moviegoer.  You decide to go see this new Ninja Turtles movie Bay has put out because you saw the preview and it seems to have a lot of action and 'splosions in it.  The only thing you know about the Ninja Turtles is a vague memory of an annoying cartoon and movie property from the '90s.  But you decide to see it based on the strength of the trailer.  Now, keeping in mind that you are the Average Moviegoer, which origin story (however it may be presented) do you think would elicit the least amount of laughter from you at the theater?  Would it be a) the Ninja Turtles were actual turtles that were dipped into radioactive goo, causing them to mutate into humanoid creatures capable of witty banter, or b) that they were derived from an alien race in some way.  Honestly, I'd go with option B.  Most moviegoers are used to the whole idea of aliens from outer space, so they're used to it, and it would be easier for them to suspend disbelief in order to enjoy the movie.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:56:28 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=Thundercron][quote=KingZombie]Bay has no respect for fans of the movie properties he takes over.  [b]He just does whatever he thinks would be cool.[/b]  Like flames on Optimus Prime.[/quote]

No.  He does what he thinks the average moviegoer would think is cool.  You say Michael Bay has no respect for fans.  To some extent, you're right.  But that's okay with me, because when Sam Raimi said he was making Spider-Man "as a fan," he was lying.  Which is fine with me, because when Bryan Singer said he was making X-Men for the fans, he was lying too.  Currently, Christopher Nolan will be lying when he says he's making Batman "for the fans."  My point is that none of these filmmakers made these movies strictly with the fans in mind.  These movies--and they were all (mostly) enjoyable, by the way--were all made with the General Moviegoing Audience in mind.  These films cannot be profitable if they are strictly aimed at the die-hard fans.  And the average moviegoer thinks that lava, flames, and fire is cool.  Also, when someone tricks out their car and puts a fancy paintjob on it, chances are they will put flames on it.  We've all seen it more times than we can count.  So that's why there are flames on Optimus Prime.

How does this relate to the new proposed origin of the Ninja Turtles?  Well, put yourself in the position of the Average Moviegoer.  You decide to go see this new Ninja Turtles movie Bay has put out because you saw the preview and it seems to have a lot of action and 'splosions in it.  The only thing you know about the Ninja Turtles is a vague memory of an annoying cartoon and movie property from the '90s.  But you decide to see it based on the strength of the trailer.  Now, keeping in mind that you are the Average Moviegoer, which origin story (however it may be presented) do you think would elicit the least amount of laughter from you at the theater?  Would it be a) the Ninja Turtles were actual turtles that were dipped into radioactive goo, causing them to mutate into humanoid creatures capable of witty banter, or b) that they were derived from an alien race in some way.  Honestly, I'd go with option B.  Most moviegoers are used to the whole idea of aliens from outer space, so they're used to it, and it would be easier for them to suspend disbelief in order to enjoy the movie.[/quote]

If they only had the "average moviegoer" interests in mind, they would not pick something that has name recognition.  They would just make something up that's similar, but be totally new and call it something else.  But when they choose to make a new movie on established characters, they're expecting to draw in the people who know their story and want to go see the movie.  I'm sure what you're saying is probably their mindset, but it's wrong and it's been proven time and again.

What they should do is get the die-hard fans to embrace it, because when they do, they create good buzz and they will draw others to go see it, and possibly even check out the previous incarnations.  It's the whole reason Hollywood goes to SDCC now.  Because great buzz from there helps your movie and bad buzz kills it (former ex. would be Iron Man, latter would be Green Hornet).]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2012 16:24:16 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Not a big TMNT fan, but thats stupid. Aliens are supposed to be more plausible than the original story? Why change it. FAIL...and pass.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2012 18:57:01 GMT</pubDate>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2012 19:12:12 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[When did Micheal Bay even get attached to this project? Horrible idea.
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			<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2012 19:21:30 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[So then ...TANT? Does not sound good to me.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=Dreadnok01]So then ...TANT? Does not sound good to me.[/quote]

LOL, yeah, actually the full title will be Teenage Alien Intelligence Ninja Turtles... or TAINT.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 08:00:51 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=KingZombie][quote=Dreadnok01]So then ...TANT? Does not sound good to me.[/quote]

LOL, yeah, actually the full title will be Teenage Alien Intelligence Ninja Turtles... or TAINT.[/quote]

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			<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 08:41:12 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=KingZombie][quote=Dreadnok01]So then ...TANT? Does not sound good to me.[/quote]

LOL, yeah, actually the full title will be Teenage Alien Intelligence Ninja Turtles... or TAINT.[/quote]

This is horrible... lol. Reminds me of Jay and Silent Bob as the Commanders of the "Coalition for the Liberation of Itinerant Tree-Dwellers"

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			<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 23:24:20 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=ErrantEntertainment]Why does the top of the sewer lid look like the Mayan calendar?[/quote]

Because unlike what the experts say (the Mayans) about the world ending on December 21st 2012, it really ends on premiere night 2013 thanks to Bayfinger. :`( ]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 23:42:21 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Why cant he just leave stuff alone :(]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[michael bay is a crappy moron.... the last good movies he did was the bad boys franchise... he thinks the basis of a good movie is a lot of explosion... pointless action... and no script development...  he gets 1/5 stars from me... he gets at least 1 star as oppose to 0 for giving us bad boys 1 and 2... but with his recent garbage loses 3 stars only getting 1/5 b-) ]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote]Last week, producer Michael Bay lit a fuse under longtime Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle fans with his description of the upcoming live-action reboot. "Kids are going to believe, one day, that these turtles do exist, when we are done with this movie," he said during his Nickelodeon upfront presentation. "These Turtles are from an alien race, and they are going to be tough, edgy, funny and completely lovable."

Fan reaction has been fierce and nearly universally negative, the internet exploding with tweets, Facebook pages and more. Comment sections and forum threads, from here at CBR to Entertainment Weekly to to The Guardian lit up with negative reaction to the news, personal attacks against Bay and a general sense of dismay at what is being perceived as an egregious affront to millions of childhoods.

Actor Robbie Rist, who voiced Michelangelo in the first TMNT live-action flick, shared his pleasure in a very public, hyperbolic fashion, writing an open letter which states, "You probably don't know me but I did some voice work on the first set of movies that you are starting to talk about sodomizing. I know believing in mutated talking turtles is kinda silly to begin with but am I supposed to be led to believe there are ninjas from another planet? The rape of our childhood memories continues."

Bay has personally responded, telling fans they "need to take a breath, and chill." The Hollywood heavyweight continued, promising that fans will be pleased with the final product. "Our team is working closely with one of the original creators of Ninja Turtles to help expand and give a more complex back story. Relax, we are including everything that made you become fans in the first place. We are just building a richer world."
[/quote]

So, here's how you get fans to come see your movie, by telling them they "need to take a breath, and chill."

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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=crackerjack1][quote]Last week, producer Michael Bay lit a fuse under longtime Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle fans with his description of the upcoming live-action reboot. "Kids are going to believe, one day, that these turtles do exist, when we are done with this movie," he said during his Nickelodeon upfront presentation. "These Turtles are from an alien race, and they are going to be tough, edgy, funny and completely lovable."

Fan reaction has been fierce and nearly universally negative, the internet exploding with tweets, Facebook pages and more. Comment sections and forum threads, from here at CBR to Entertainment Weekly to to The Guardian lit up with negative reaction to the news, personal attacks against Bay and a general sense of dismay at what is being perceived as an egregious affront to millions of childhoods.

Actor Robbie Rist, who voiced Michelangelo in the first TMNT live-action flick, shared his pleasure in a very public, hyperbolic fashion, writing an open letter which states, "You probably don't know me but I did some voice work on the first set of movies that you are starting to talk about sodomizing. I know believing in mutated talking turtles is kinda silly to begin with but am I supposed to be led to believe there are ninjas from another planet? The rape of our childhood memories continues."

Bay has personally responded, telling fans they "need to take a breath, and chill." The Hollywood heavyweight continued, promising that fans will be pleased with the final product. "Our team is working closely with one of the original creators of Ninja Turtles to help expand and give a more complex back story. Relax, we are including everything that made you become fans in the first place. We are just building a richer world."
[/quote]

So, here's how you get fans to come see your movie, by telling them they "need to take a breath, and chill."

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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=crackerjack1][quote]Last week, producer Michael Bay lit a fuse under longtime Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle fans with his description of the upcoming live-action reboot. "Kids are going to believe, one day, that these turtles do exist, when we are done with this movie," he said during his Nickelodeon upfront presentation. "These Turtles are from an alien race, and they are going to be tough, edgy, funny and completely lovable."

Fan reaction has been fierce and nearly universally negative, the internet exploding with tweets, Facebook pages and more. Comment sections and forum threads, from here at CBR to Entertainment Weekly to to The Guardian lit up with negative reaction to the news, personal attacks against Bay and a general sense of dismay at what is being perceived as an egregious affront to millions of childhoods.

Actor Robbie Rist, who voiced Michelangelo in the first TMNT live-action flick, shared his pleasure in a very public, hyperbolic fashion, writing an open letter which states, "You probably don't know me but I did some voice work on the first set of movies that you are starting to talk about sodomizing. I know believing in mutated talking turtles is kinda silly to begin with but am I supposed to be led to believe there are ninjas from another planet? The rape of our childhood memories continues."

Bay has personally responded, telling fans they "need to take a breath, and chill." The Hollywood heavyweight continued, promising that fans will be pleased with the final product. "Our team is working closely with one of the original creators of Ninja Turtles to help expand and give a more complex back story. [b]Relax, we are including everything that made you become fans in the first place.[/b] We are just building a richer world."
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Apparently he does NOT know what made us become fans in the first place. If he did he wouldn't change their origin so drastically. 
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			<description><![CDATA[Definitely changes any desire I had to go see it. Don't screw with the origins of the Turtles like that. It's just wrong.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[So you guys have nothing to say about the fact that Bay said he was working with Eastman and Laird on the new backstory?

Which is his argument btw..  making them into aliens gives them a bigger backstory to explore.  In the original story, there's not much of a backstory with the turtles.  The backstory comes from Splinter and isn't that rich.

If the original creators are on board.. why can't the fans be?

Personally, I don't give a damn.  I have no doubt that the movie will be entertaining.. regardless.  And it's gonna make a sh!t ton of money.. no matter how much people whine about the change.

I agree with Bay...  people need to chill out.

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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=SpidermanGeek]making them into aliens gives them a bigger backstory to explore.  In the original story, there's not much of a backstory with the turtles.  The backstory comes from Splinter and isn't that rich.[/quote]

That's a bunch of BS. Mysterious mutagenic ooze that created them and a number of other TMNT characters, a rich ninja background that includes a decades old feud of clans between Splinter and Shredder, alien enemies from Dimension X, and the modern setting of New York City for all of these fantastic characters to explore. TMNT has quite the rich background and backstory without having to change what makes them Teenage [color=red]Mutant[/color] Ninja Turtles.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[Meh.. I'm still indifferent about it.  It's an adaptation.  Producers/directors/screenplay writers will always take certain liberties with these kinds of properties.  Doesn't stop me from enjoying the flicks.

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			<description><![CDATA[The charm of the original TMNT comic was that as well as being a cool story, it was a parody of all the comics and characters that were hot at the time.

New Mutants, Ninjas being featured in Wolverine and Daredevil and the popularity of all the B&W anthropormorphic books like Cerebus.  The Foot clan was a parody of The Hand from the mentioned Marvel books.  There was a building called the Rextab Building, backwards for Baxter.

Before the chemical ooze that mutated the turtles landed in the sewer, it hit a boy in the head while he was saving a blind man from being run over by a truck.  Sound familiar?  It should, it's the origin of Daredevil.  TMNT was chock full of nods and homages to Marvel books.

You take that away and they are just not the same anymore.  If Eastman & Laird are on board with changing that, then they've lost touch with what made the comic so great.

They're going to do it whether fans like it or not, and Spidermangeek, if it doesn't bother you, why do you care what fans think?  Just let them vent.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[Because people are acting like Bay is re-writing the bible.

Also, because no matter how displeased these fans are with this announcement, there's a certain hypocracy as they will more than likely end up seeing the movie anyway.  Thus..  Bay and Platinum Dunes wins.. they got your money, that's all that matters.

So people can bitch and complain all they want, it will not change a thing.

And I get annoyed that people can't make a distinction.  The comic was the comic, the TV show was the TV show and the original Films were the original films.

All seperate universes that still encompass teh spirit of TMNT.  None will be perfect, all have the potential to be enjoyable regardless.

I'm the biggest Spider-Man fan and had no problem with the Raimi interpretation.  I liekd the organic webshooters, I loved the costumes.  Hell, I even tolerated Green Goblin, lol.


You're right though.. I mean if people are angry, they are allowed to voice it.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 07:21:55 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote="CBR"]For nearly a week, fans have been in an uproar over producer Michael Bay's tease of a revamped origin for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle's upcoming live-action movie reboot. Yesterday, one-half of the team responsible for creating the popular team weighed in on the subject -- and doodled a nifty Teenage Alien Ninja Turtle headshot.

"I would actually encourage TMNT fans to swallow the 'chill pill' Mr. Bay recently suggested they take, and wait and see what might come out of this seemingly ill-conceived plan," TMNT co-creator Peter Laird wrote on his blog. "It's possible that with enough truly creative brainpower applied to this idea, it might actually work. I'm not saying it's probable, or even somewhat likely… but it IS possible."

Laird commented on Bay's description of the Turtles being " from an alien race" after receiving numerous requests from TMNT fans to intervene and prevent the upcoming origin overhaul. Unfortunately for devoted followers, Laird is no longer in a position to control the futures of his famous creation, having sold the rights to Nickelodeon in late 2009.

While Laird's comments might dismay fans, the artist explained he's not endorsing the origin tweak per se, but is trying to look for the potential upside. After explaining that for years, he and TMNT co-creator Kevin Eastman tried to come up with a non-creatively bankrupt way to introduce a fifth Turtle to the crew, Laird brought his thoughts back to Bay's "alien" comment. "[T]he reason I say it could be a 'genius' idea is that -- for the first time -- someone has come up with a way to have as many freakin' Turtles as they want. I mean, if the TMNT are actually members of an alien race, there could be a whole PLANET of them!

"Joy."

Meanwhile, Vanilla Ice is the latest celebrity-with-TMNT-ties to offer his thoughts on the reboot, joining the ranks of Brian Tochi and Judith Hoag, the actors who played Leonardo and O'Neil in the original TMNT movie, in support of the idea. The rapper, who's "Ninja Rap" was infamously featured in "TMNT 2: The Secret of the Ooze," tweeted yesterday, "Aliens or not they are still NINJA'S !!! Represent !!! Whoop whoop !" after launching his Twitter campaign to get "Ninja Rap 2" on the reboot's soundtrack.

CBR News has reached out to Laird's TMNT co-creator Kevin Eastman for comment but has not yet received a response.[/quote]]]></description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:07:44 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Funny how nobody has mentioned how badly the original movies sucked compared to the comics.  They turned them into pizza craved surfer dudes for Christ sakes!  I don't recal ever reading "Cowabunga Dude" once in the comic.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:18:33 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=4saken1]Funny how nobody has mentioned how badly the original movies sucked compared to the comics.  They turned them into pizza craved surfer dudes for Christ sakes!  I don't recal ever reading "Cowabunga Dude" once in the comic.[/quote]

It's funny too, because I had never read a TMNT comic before seeing the original movies and cartoon series.. I picked one up many years later and was like WTF is this.. these turtles are nothing like the show or movies.

Raphael was covered head to toe in black goo or latex or something and no one said radical or cowabunga.  ]]></description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:03:16 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=SpidermanGeek]Because people are acting like Bay is re-writing the bible.

Also, because no matter how displeased these fans are with this announcement, there's a certain hypocracy as they will more than likely end up seeing the movie anyway.  Thus..  Bay and Platinum Dunes wins.. they got your money, that's all that matters.

So people can bitch and complain all they want, it will not change a thing.[/quote]

OK, I wouldn’t compare it to rewriting the bible, but yeah, they’re upset because their passionate about something they enjoy.  As long as no one is getting hurt, I see nothing wrong with that.

[quote=SpidermanGeek]And I get annoyed that people can't make a distinction.  The comic was the comic, the TV show was the TV show and the original Films were the original films.

All seperate universes that still encompass teh spirit of TMNT.  None will be perfect, all have the potential to be enjoyable regardless.

[b]I'm the biggest Spider-Man fan and had no problem with the Raimi interpretation.  I liekd the organic webshooters, I loved the costumes.  Hell, I even tolerated Green Goblin, lol.[/b]


You're right though.. I mean if people are angry, they are allowed to voice it.[/quote]

Yyyyeah… I don’t think you get it.  The Spider-Man movie comparison is so not the same thing.  Alright, let me put a hypothetical out there.  Let’s say Raimi (or whoever) said, “It’s just not believable that someone gets bit by a spider and gets the powers of a spider.  It’d be better if he’s an alien.  Oh, and he’s a female now too… but we’re still going to call the movie ‘Spider-Man’.”  Now honestly, you can tell me you’d be OK with that?

Oh, and the surfer talk and pizza eating came from the cartoon series which predated the movies.  Some people were introduced to the Turtles from that so it's understandable that they would include things that were identifiable from that series.  And I thought the first movie was great, btw.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 11:03:40 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=4saken1]Funny how nobody has mentioned how badly the original movies sucked compared to the comics.  They turned them into pizza craved surfer dudes for Christ sakes!  I don't recal ever reading "Cowabunga Dude" once in the comic.[/quote]

Yeah, that's not correct. The original issues may have been as you describe. But when the cartoon took off, the comics pretty much mirrored the cartoon.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=BurningDoom][quote=4saken1]Funny how nobody has mentioned how badly the original movies sucked compared to the comics.  They turned them into pizza craved surfer dudes for Christ sakes!  I don't recal ever reading "Cowabunga Dude" once in the comic.[/quote]

Yeah, that's not correct. The original issues may have been as you describe. But when the cartoon took off, the comics pretty much mirrored the cartoon.[/quote]

I stopped reading TMNT shortly after Eastman and Laird stopped drawing/writing the 1st series.  I had no idea the comic had gone in that direction, too.  Still, the movies were crap compared to the original vision.....]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[Ugh......I take that back!  I was just looking through some of the later Eastman/Laird 1st series and it's cheesy slapstick humor, too!  Either way, I'm sure the direction the series was taking was what led me to drop it.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 17:43:53 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=4saken1][quote=BurningDoom][quote=4saken1]Funny how nobody has mentioned how badly the original movies sucked compared to the comics.  They turned them into pizza craved surfer dudes for Christ sakes!  I don't recal ever reading "Cowabunga Dude" once in the comic.[/quote]

Yeah, that's not correct. The original issues may have been as you describe. But when the cartoon took off, the comics pretty much mirrored the cartoon.[/quote]

I stopped reading TMNT shortly after Eastman and Laird stopped drawing/writing the 1st series.  I had no idea the comic had gone in that direction, too.  Still, the movies were crap compared to the original vision.....[/quote]

Yea, I never got that.  Sure I liked pizza, but I wasn't crazy about it, nor about them.  I only went to see their movies (or just one- the 3rd one).  I don't think I was part of their demographic.  Now Punky Brewster was my demographic; A weird girl who got along with everyone. (or I hope to get along with everyone)]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[As long as Bay stays away from Thundercats, MASK and Voltron, I'm good.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2012 08:23:26 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=ShenValleyInitiative]As long as Bay stays away from[color=red][b] Thundercats[/b][/color], MASK and Voltron, I'm good.[/quote]

ESPECIALLY those.  I will go into Hulk-rage if he was to ever touch that show.  ]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2012 20:13:12 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[What's Thundercats?]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2012 20:43:56 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=SpidermanGeek]What's Thundercats?[/quote]


Oh no you di'int!!]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2012 20:48:56 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=SpidermanGeek]Because people are acting like Bay is re-writing the bible.

Also, because no matter how displeased these fans are with this announcement, there's a certain hypocracy as they will more than likely end up seeing the movie anyway.  Thus..  Bay and Platinum Dunes wins.. they got your money, that's all that matters.

So people can bitch and complain all they want, it will not change a thing.

[b]And I get annoyed that people can't make a distinction.  The comic was the comic, the TV show was the TV show and the original Films were the original films.[/b]

All seperate universes that still encompass teh spirit of TMNT.  None will be perfect, all have the potential to be enjoyable regardless.

I'm the biggest Spider-Man fan and had no problem with the Raimi interpretation.  I liekd the organic webshooters, I loved the costumes.  Hell, I even tolerated Green Goblin, lol.


You're right though.. I mean if people are angry, they are allowed to voice it.[/quote]

I agree.  Same goes for all the Transformers interpretations.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2012 21:52:56 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=Shadowdodger][quote=SpidermanGeek]What's Thundercats?[/quote]


Oh no you di'int!![/quote]

Lol, I've seriously never watched it and know nothing of Thundercats other than they look like the offspring of He-Man and Battle-Cat.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 19:35:07 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=SpidermanGeek][quote=Shadowdodger][quote=SpidermanGeek]What's Thundercats?[/quote]


Oh no you di'int!![/quote]

Lol, I've seriously never watched it and know nothing of Thundercats other than they look like the offspring of He-Man and Battle-Cat.[/quote]

It has the best 80's intro of any toon that decade, the cartoon itself doesn't hold up as well though. But the reboot thats currently on tv is amazing.

See my sig, and avatar.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 19:36:32 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=ErrantEntertainment]Why does the top of the sewer lid look like the Mayan calendar?[/quote]

[b]Because Bay's crappy movies will bring about the end of the world just as the Mayans predicted.[/b] 8-} ]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 08:47:56 GMT</pubDate>
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