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			<description><![CDATA[[b]LAST UPDATE - 14 May 2011[/b]
The purpose of this thread is to bring the attention of comics that have counterfeit copies out in circulation to collectors who may not be aware of them. It was originally discussed [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6904&find=unread]HERE[/url] and this will be the list. PLEASE: only list [i]confirmed[/i] counterfeits and no post whoring! If you'd like to add a comic to the list please feel free to PM me with all the details. Thank you!

[b][u]Anita Blake: Vampire Hunter - Guilty Pleasures #1 (Marvel: 2006) - "Gold Foil Variant"[/u][/b]
[size=3][i][color=darkred]Not published by Marvel. Passed off as a rare incentive variant.[/color] Click below to enlarge.[/i][/size]

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[b][u]Batman #497 (DC: 1993) - "Platinum Edition"[/u][/b]
[size=3][i][color=darkred]Not published by DC.[/color] No photo currently available.[/i][/size]

[b][u]Cerebus #1 (Aardvark-Vanaheim: 1977)[/u][/b]
[size=3][color=darkred][i]Counterfeits have a dark, black spotted background on the front cover with glossy interiors and generally have bronze staples. Red color on the cover also has an orange tint to it. Genuine copies may have smudging on the front covers due to the low quality printing are were limited to 2,000.[/color] Below is a comparison of each. Click to enlarge.[/i][/size]

[url=http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff308/vacantpassenger/cerebus.jpg][img w=50]http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff308/vacantpassenger/cerebus.jpg[/img][/url]

[b][u]Cry For Dawn #1 (Sirius/CFD: 1989)[/u][/b]
[size=3][color=darkred][i]Counterfeits have a "checker board" like pattern in the background of the clouds and are printed slightly lighter than originals. Some may have blotty printing. Printing on genuine issues is smooth. There are an estimated 100 counterfeit issues in circulation.[/color]Below are close ups of both. Click to enlarge.[/i][/size]

[url=http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff308/vacantpassenger/cfd1real.jpg][img w=30]http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff308/vacantpassenger/cfd1real.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff308/vacantpassenger/cfd1fake.jpg][img w=30]http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff308/vacantpassenger/cfd1fake.jpg[/img][/url]

[b][u]Eerie #1 (Warren: 1965)[/u][/b]
[size=3][color=darkred][i]Some counterfeits have staples with a blue line on them. More prominate features of counterfeits are the bald man on page 18 panal 5, who is clearly detailed in fakes and less visible in genuine copies. The lines on the roof of the house of page 1, where the lines are broken in forgeries. Only 200 originals were made.[/color] Click below for a high res scan of a genuine issue.[/i][/size]

[url=http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff308/vacantpassenger/Eerie.jpg][img w=25]http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff308/vacantpassenger/Eerie.jpg[/img][/url]

[b][u]Gobbledygook #1 (Mirage: 1984)[/u][/b]
[size=3][color=darkred][i]Some counterfeits are designated by having a yellow cover/interior with a badly forged Keven Eastman signature inside saying "_ of 500". Others may have a blue cover. Only 50 were made of the genuine comic and they were not numbered/signed. Other counterfeits have darkened interior cover art on glossy white pages with an Eastman signature saying "_ of 150".[/color] Click below for genuine cover image and interior comparisons. More images of counterfeits soon to come.[/i][/size]

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[b][u]Gobbledygook #2 (Mirage: 1984)[/u][/b]
[size=3][color=darkred][i]Same counterfeit description as above.[/color] Click image below for genuine cover image and interior comparisons. More images of counterfeits soon to come.[/i][/size]

[url=http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff308/vacantpassenger/gg2a.jpg][img w=35]http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff308/vacantpassenger/gg2a.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff308/vacantpassenger/gg2interior.jpg][img w=26]http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff308/vacantpassenger/gg2interior.jpg[/img][/url]

[b][u]Incredible Hulk Vol. 3 #104 (Marvel: 2007) - "Gold Foil Variant"[/u][/b]
[size=3][color=darkred][i]Not published by Marvel. Passed off as an ultra rare 1:1000 or 1/1000 variant.[/color] No photo currently available.[/i][/size]

[b][u]Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #1 (Mirage: 1984)[/u][/b]
[size=3][color=darkred][i]Some counterfeits were printed with glossy or very white paper. Genuine copies were printed on newsprint and only 3,000 were made. They do not say "First Printing" anywhere in the book. Some counterfeits have some sort of creasing or scratching across the middle of the back cover while most others have a blueish tint to the black ink/background on the front cover. Lines where red and black inks meet do not line up correctly, most noticeably on the sword tip in the cover title. Red color background on fakes do not match red color on originals.[/color] Images for comparison below. Click to enlarge[/i][/size]

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[b][u]Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #2 (Mirage: 1984)[/u][/b]
[size=3][color=darkred][i]Counterfeits were printed on a thicker glossy stock. [/color]Images soon to come.[/i][/size]

[b][u]Thor Vol. 3 #1 (Marvel: 2007) - "Gold Foil Variant"[/u][/b]
[size=3][color=darkred][i]Not published by Marvel. Passed off as an ultra rare 1:1000 or 1/1000 variant.[/color] Click on image to enlarge.[/i][/size]

[url=http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff308/vacantpassenger/Thor1Gold.jpg][img w=30]http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff308/vacantpassenger/Thor1Gold.jpg[/img][/url]

[b][u]Uncanny X-Men #94 (Marvel: 1975)[/u][/b]
[size=3][color=darkred][i]CGC detected counterfeit copies of this book. No available details at this time.[/color]Click to enlarge.[/i][/size]

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[b][u]Venom: Lethal Protector #1 (Marvel: 1993) - black/error/misprint cover[/u][/b]
[i][size=3][color=darkred]Counterfeits have a Marvel logo in upper-left hand corner that is made to appear like a normal unaffected logo. Genuine misprints have a logo that is an obviously errored blue box/squared logo, but you can still make out the "Marvel Comics" impression with some. Genuine copies also have some of the red laserfoil intended to be printed on the cover still there, but it will differ from issue to issue. The "Lethal Protector" text may not be visible on all copies. Counterfeits have an all black background.[/color] Below is an example of a genuine misprint. Click to enlarge.[/i][/size]

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[b][u]World War Hulk #1 (Marvel: 2007) - "Gold Foil Variant"[/u][/b]
[size=3][color=darkred][i]Not published by Marvel. Passed off as an ultra rare 1:1000 or 1/1000 variant.[/color] No photo currently availible[/i][/size]]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[Woah, as soon as I saw this I ran and checked my Lethal Protector #1.  Its real though  :-d ]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[u][b]UPDATE - 15 May 2008[/b][/u]

Cry For Dawn #1 counterfeit issue has been added to the list with detection details. 

I still haven't been able to find a photo of the Batman #497 counterfeit and I swear to God I'm going to get around to editing those TMNT images soon]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[you will not]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[There has been something that has popped up and come to my attention in the last month or so that I haven't had time to investigate much into, and I call upon the CCL community for help.  

[url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/Issue.aspx?id=ea5097f0-9a37-4560-a11b-d6cead80ac31]THOR #1 Gold 1:1000 Variant[/url]

Joe and I saw a copy of this book as well as a World War Hulk #1 Gold Edition at one of the cons that we attended.  I'm beginning to think these are forgeries, and I'm asking you guys to help me with this.  We need to let people know they are fake if they see them.
Has there been an article about these Gold Issues written somewhere... perhaps in a Wizard or a press release from Marvel?  

There are 68 people on CCL who have this book added to their wishlist.  We KNOW they exist, we have seen them.  But we need to know if these are forgeries.  

Thanks!]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[Gobbledygook, I've seen it on Ebay. Its a fake. Watch out if you're on Ebay.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=GhostBlood]Gobbledygook, I've seen it on Ebay. Its a fake. Watch out if you're on Ebay.[/quote]

These are real books. Don't think that every issue you see is a counterfeit. The counterfeits that have been [i]made[/i] (despite what CGC claims) are easy to detect. They just refuse to grade them now because with new technology they'll become easier to fake and harder to detect, but like I said, the ones already made are easy. I've even given scans of an actual copy compaired to the counterfeit.

The one you're referring to on eBay, that same one that has been discussed at the Collector Society forums, may or may not be real. This is the problem with it: The only conclusive way to determing the black cover counterfeits is the interior art work. If they have darkened art or they are signed and numbered inside, they are fakes. PGX was unaware of this when that book was first graded, so unless the seller is willing to crack his seal to show the inside, I would aviod it, but it still may be real.

If you're referring to the Charles Costas fakes that sold on eBay a few years ago, (these also seem to be discussed in many different forums) they were the yellow cover counterfeits. These were the first copies he ever saw so he didn't know if they were real or not. He wrote Kevin Eastman personally to get information on the counterfeits, the same information I've provided here.

So, to detect the Gobbledygook counterfeits: Yellow Covers, Black Covers with darkened interior arts and any signed AND NUMBERED issue are all counterfeits. They are real ones out there, just very few.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[Im kind of surprised counterfeitting isnt more common. If theives can do money... then they can do newsprint, it stands to reason.

Maybe I'd be interested in having a couple..

Maybe I'll take Stan Lee and Jim Shooter and the former head of shippin and recieving to find that lost holy grail warehouse where they are sitting on pallates upon pallates of high grade vintage key silver age books.

****no, of course I wont do that... but I'd sure like to make that find of a warehouse.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=The_Valiant_One]There has been something that has popped up and come to my attention in the last month or so that I haven't had time to investigate much into, and I call upon the CCL community for help.  

[url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/Issue.aspx?id=ea5097f0-9a37-4560-a11b-d6cead80ac31]THOR #1 Gold 1:1000 Variant[/url]

Joe and I saw a copy of this book as well as a World War Hulk #1 Gold Edition at one of the cons that we attended.  I'm beginning to think these are forgeries, and I'm asking you guys to help me with this.  We need to let people know they are fake if they see them.
Has there been an article about these Gold Issues written somewhere... perhaps in a Wizard or a press release from Marvel?  

There are 68 people on CCL who have this book added to their wishlist.  We KNOW they exist, we have seen them.  But we need to know if these are forgeries.  

Thanks![/quote]

I have heard about them, but have never heard if they were real or not.  Sorry I can't help, I would be interested in knowing about this issue as well.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[The main question is:  

Is the Thor #1 Gold Edition a valid produced and marketed by MARVEL product?

I know it exists - I've seen it, so I can't question that fact.  In the same way I have seen a GOLD EDITION World War Hulk #1 exists.  I think these were fabricated by someone else and SOLD to the public as incentives or ULTRA RARE INCENTIVES.  I mean, seriously...a 1/1000 variant?  Since when has Marvel tried a stunt like this?
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			<description><![CDATA[I e-mailed marvel and left them a message on their customer service voicemail but have not had a responce yet. I will try again later this afternoon.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 11:44:29 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Spoke with Marvel's legal department today, and they are INDEED COUNTERFEIT - in fact, there are a total of 3 counterfeits floating around that Marvel can confirm with the Gold Foil:

1)  THOR #1
2)  WORLD WAR HULK #1
3)  Incredible Hulk #104



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			<description><![CDATA[Nice Detective work!  Expunge that crap from the Database.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=Batman007]Nice Detective work!  Expunge that crap from the Database.[/quote]
It is good work finding out they're counterfeit, but should they be removed? They are still comic books and they do exist. I think they should be included in the database but they should be listed as counterfeit in the cover description area. Something like "Counterfeit - Not Authorized by Marvel". What do the rest of you think?]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=comicscastle]It is good work finding out they're counterfeit, but should they be removed? They are still comic books and they do exist. I think they should be included in the database but they should be listed as counterfeit in the cover description area. Something like "Counterfeit - Not Authorized by Marvel". What do the rest of you think?[/quote]

Absolutely they should be removed. That question is actually how this list started, I brought it up last year. Check out the link at the top of this page in my first post to read what Joe had to say about it.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=vacantpassenger][quote=comicscastle]It is good work finding out they're counterfeit, but should they be removed? They are still comic books and they do exist. I think they should be included in the database but they should be listed as counterfeit in the cover description area. Something like "Counterfeit - Not Authorized by Marvel". What do the rest of you think?[/quote]

Absolutely they should be removed. That question is actually how this list started, I brought it up last year. Check out the link at the top of this page in my first post to read what Joe had to say about it.[/quote]
I don't see any link, but if Joe doesn't want them then that's fine with me; however I still feel that a comic database should include all comics, even counterfeit ones. I'm not saying that we should justify them in any way. I'm just saying that we should recognize that they do exist. Perhaps there should be a way that they could be entered in the database but not be made available to sell. Anyway that's just my opinion and it isn't anything I feel real strongly about so I won't go off on a rant or anything.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[The link says HERE in blue and is underlined, or just go here:

http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6904&find=unread

Discuss it there, why would I mind?]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[OK, I found the link and I see it was well discused with Dale taking my view so I don't need to say more. Luckily I don't have any nor do I want any, but I feel sorry for the person who has one and can't add it to his collection because the database won't allow it.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[I agree with ComicsCastle, and Joe of CCL, that while the counterfeits should certainly not be available to buy or sell on CCL, and should not be acknowledged as legitimate, it still seems important to recognize that they exist and inform collectors to be careful.  I understand that's the purpose of the sticky post this topic is under, but is that enough?  Maybe it is, maybe it is not. 

By the the way, [b]GOOD JOB[/b]! Thanks you guys, you know who you are, for finding out Marvel definately never produced these particular Variants,
1) THOR #1 1:1000 Gold
2) WORLD WAR HULK #1 1:1000 Gold
3) Incredible Hulk #104 1:1000 Gold
you have done the leg work, so the rest of us know what to watch out for.  ]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[By the way, since Marvel never produced any of these they aren't technically counterfeits. They are unauthorized variants, but a counterfeit is a copy being passed off as the original. They still shouldn't be offered for sale, but it is different from a counterfeit on a technical scale.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=comicscastle]By the way, since Marvel never produced any of these they aren't technically counterfeits. They are unauthorized variants, but a counterfeit is a copy being passed off as the original. They still shouldn't be offered for sale, but it is different from a counterfeit on a technical scale.[/quote]

According to overstreet, they would be considered counterfeits. For example, the case with the Batman #497 Platinum Edition. It's not passed as an original, but it still wasn't published by DC.

Anything not produced by the publisher that is being sold as if it was is a counterfeit.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=bovard]I agree with ComicsCastle, and Joe of CCL, that while the counterfeits should certainly not be available to buy or sell on CCL, and should not be acknowledged as legitimate, it still seems important to recognize that they exist and inform collectors to be careful.  I understand that's the purpose of the sticky post this topic is under, but is that enough?  Maybe it is, maybe it is not.[/quote]

I tend to agree but... adding them to the database lends legitimacy and exposure to an illegal product.



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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=comicscastle]It is good work finding out they're counterfeit, but should they be removed? They are still comic books and they do exist. I think they should be included in the database but they should be listed as counterfeit in the cover description area. Something like "Counterfeit - Not Authorized by Marvel". What do the rest of you think?[/quote]

You don't see copies of the Mona Lisa hanging in museums do you?  Stamp and coin dealers don't sell fakes do they?  Or let's say I go out and xerox Action Comics #1 in Black & White, could I then claim that I have an ultra rare limited black & white Variant of that Issue that's limited to 1 copy?  Fakes have no place here in the Database that's trying to be as factual and complete as possible.  If you want to have it listed in your collection, Add a double entry of the Issue and use a personal scan and make the counterfeit note for your Catalog.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=Batman007][quote=comicscastle]It is good work finding out they're counterfeit, but should they be removed? They are still comic books and they do exist. I think they should be included in the database but they should be listed as counterfeit in the cover description area. Something like "Counterfeit - Not Authorized by Marvel". What do the rest of you think?[/quote]

You don't see copies of the Mona Lisa hanging in museums do you?  Stamp and coin dealers don't sell fakes do they?  Or let's say I go out and xerox Action Comics #1 in Black & White, could I then claim that I have an ultra rare limited black & white Variant of that Issue that's limited to 1 copy?  Fakes have no place here in the Database that's trying to be as factual and complete as possible.  If you want to have it listed in your collection, Add a double entry of the Issue and use a personal scan and make the counterfeit note for your Catalog.[/quote]
Actually museums do sell counterfeits. Many famous artists, Van Gogh in particular, had students that copied their style and those students works are sold, just not as originals. Coin dealers also sell counterfeits, but again not as originals but as what they are. 

I'm not trying to justify these dishonest books. I think if they are listed and noted as what they are it will help many unsuspecting buyers to not buy them. Look at Overstreet's listing for Eerie #1. It mentions the counterfeits and states that they are practicly worthless. That's what I think is needed here. They should certainly not be allowed to be sold.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=comicscastle]OK, I found the link and I see it was well discused with Dale taking my view so I don't need to say more. Luckily I don't have any nor do I want any, but I feel sorry for the person who has one and can't add it to his collection because the database won't allow it.[/quote]

I have to say I agree with you on this, they should not be available for sale.  However informing people these are counterfeit and they should steer away from them, is a great service for the comic community.  Some people may continue to buy them, I may have picked one up if I saw it at a convention.  However now being informed, I am not looking twice.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=vacantpassenger][quote=comicscastle]By the way, since Marvel never produced any of these they aren't technically counterfeits. They are unauthorized variants, but a counterfeit is a copy being passed off as the original. They still shouldn't be offered for sale, but it is different from a counterfeit on a technical scale.[/quote]

According to overstreet, they would be considered counterfeits. For example, the case with the Batman #497 Platinum Edition. It's not passed as an original, but it still wasn't published by DC.

Anything not produced by the publisher that is being sold as if it was is a counterfeit.[/quote]

Agreed, anything not published by the publisher is counterfeit.  Regardless if its trying to pass as the original or not, it's a fake plain and simple.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=vaultofhorror][quote=comicscastle]OK, I found the link and I see it was well discused with Dale taking my view so I don't need to say more. Luckily I don't have any nor do I want any, but I feel sorry for the person who has one and can't add it to his collection because the database won't allow it.[/quote]

I have to say I agree with you on this, they should not be available for sale.  However informing people these are counterfeit and they should steer away from them, is a great service for the comic community.  Some people may continue to buy them, I may have picked one up if I saw it at a convention.  However now being informed, I am not looking twice.[/quote]

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That's what this thread is for.  Unlicensed and unauthorized fakes should not be placed next to legitimate books.  Like I said in the other thread, if they're not listed in the Database there's no chance they'll ever be listed for sale.  By including them in the Database you're creating a market for them and thus legitimizing them. 

[quote=comicscastle]Actually museums do sell counterfeits. Many famous artists, Van Gogh in particular, had students that copied their style and those students works are sold, just not as originals. Coin dealers also sell counterfeits, but again not as originals but as what they are. [/quote]

Yes they sell them as counterfeits and copies, not originals.  The reason these fakes were created in the first place was to pass off as originals.    ]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I don't know what the debate is about anymore. This was already debated months ago and a decision was already made. 

Anything not produced by the publisher and passed off as an original is a counterfeit. Joe doesn't want them is the DB. If you read the other thread that is what I originally wanted and not just a list, but because when something is added to the database it allows people to be able to sell them, and Joe doesn't want that under any circumstances. Yes they exist, but not in CCLs database.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=vacantpassenger]Yeah, I don't know what the debate is about anymore. This was already debated months ago and a decision was already made. 

Anything not produced by the publisher and passed off as an original is a counterfeit. Joe doesn't want them is the DB. If you read the other thread that is what I originally wanted and not just a list, but because [color=blue]when something is added to the database it allows people to be able to sell them, and Joe doesn't want that under any circumstances[/color]. Yes they exist, but not in CCLs database.[/quote]

There's no debate, this is just a discussion. I'm in total agreement that these should never be allowed to be sold. If the system is such that any book in the database can be listed for sale then these should not be in the database. No arguement there on any level. My only point is that I feel they should be listed so others aren't duped into buying them. This thread helps, but lets be honest most of the 57,000 members don't cruise the forums. Of course I would only want them listed if they could not be listed for sale. That might not be possible as the database is currently set up, but I'm sure it could be done. Even though this was discussed months ago it doesn't hurt to discuss it again. I know I'm not the only new voice to be heard, and nothing is set in stone. Everything on this site can, and is, being tweeked as time goes on.

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			<description><![CDATA[I'm going to go you one better guys -  Talking with Joe about the whole counterfeit comic deal, this is what we've decided:

We will keep the issues in the database - HOWEVER, the issues such as the Thor #1 Gold and the other Gold Foils as well should be denoted with information on their illegal nature.  If you don't want to have them in the database, remember, that you now have the ability to remove issues from your database's local, SO...if you don't consider the Thor #1 Gold to be worth the trouble of having it in your local software, then you can remove it and not acknowledge it.  

Using the Batman #497 phony as an example, or even how about the Venom: Lethal Protector #1 Black edition... - these issues are still listed in the Overstreet, but with information letting collectors know about their authenticity so they can be informed.  

Having the book doesn't really mean we are validating it by acknowldging it - it means that we want to inform the public as to the nature of books like this.  

However, I can't STRESS to you enough that we are VERY appreciative to everyone who helps the community as a whole be on the lookout for fakes like these. 

OH, and we will NOT allow stores to sell these books either.   ]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[Sounds good to me.  Everyone should be happy with this.  

You guys should go to the Mideast and barter some peace there!]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=The_Valiant_One]I'm going to go you one better guys -  Talking with Joe about the whole counterfeit comic deal, this is what we've decided:

We will keep the issues in the database - HOWEVER, the issues such as the Thor #1 Gold and the other Gold Foils as well should be denoted with information on their illegal nature.  If you don't want to have them in the database, remember, that you now have the ability to remove issues from your database's local, SO...if you don't consider the Thor #1 Gold to be worth the trouble of having it in your local software, then you can remove it and not acknowledge it.  

Using the Batman #497 phony as an example, or even how about the Venom: Lethal Protector #1 Black edition... - these issues are still listed in the Overstreet, but with information letting collectors know about their authenticity so they can be informed.  

Having the book doesn't really mean we are validating it by acknowldging it - it means that we want to inform the public as to the nature of books like this.  

However, I can't STRESS to you enough that we are VERY appreciative to everyone who helps the community as a whole be on the lookout for fakes like these. 

OH, and we will NOT allow stores to sell these books either.   [/quote]Perfect!!!!!!!! You guys are amazing. This is why I feel so strongly about this site. I'm so glad I found it. Thanks also to Batman007, VacantPassenger, VaultofHorror and everyone else who chimed in with thoughts and suggestions. It's great when different views can be tossed around in a friendly manner until a final resolution is worked out. I can't say it enough, this place is great.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=The_Valiant_One]I'm going to go you one better guys -  Talking with Joe about the whole counterfeit comic deal, this is what we've decided:

We will keep the issues in the database - HOWEVER, the issues such as the Thor #1 Gold and the other Gold Foils as well should be denoted with information on their illegal nature.  If you don't want to have them in the database, remember, that you now have the ability to remove issues from your database's local, SO...if you don't consider the Thor #1 Gold to be worth the trouble of having it in your local software, then you can remove it and not acknowledge it.  

Using the Batman #497 phony as an example, or even how about the Venom: Lethal Protector #1 Black edition... - these issues are still listed in the Overstreet, but with information letting collectors know about their authenticity so they can be informed.  

Having the book doesn't really mean we are validating it by acknowldging it - it means that we want to inform the public as to the nature of books like this.  

However, I can't STRESS to you enough that we are VERY appreciative to everyone who helps the community as a whole be on the lookout for fakes like these. 

OH, and we will NOT allow stores to sell these books either.   [/quote]

Perfect! 
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			<description><![CDATA[Here I am , Mikey Come Lately!  I think the resolution to this issue is right on the money.  Just goes to show you that comic book collectors can have a civilized discussion and come up with a positive solution.  Now if we could just fix the rest of the world!]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[The official wording has been up for about a week now on the THOR #1 Gold Edition in the CCL db:  you can view it here if you haven't seen it already:

[url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/Issue.aspx?id=ea5097f0-9a37-4560-a11b-d6cead80ac31]Thor # 1 - Counterfeit Gold Edition[/url]

I appreciate everyone who helped me out with this, including Marvel - if the other two pop up out there on CCL, we'll know how to handle this.  



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			<description><![CDATA[This is great to see, I think this is going to be a great addition to the database.  Someone who may have bought a #497 platinum or a Thor Gold Foil, can not steer away from them knowing they are fakes.

Who would want to own a counterfeit comic??? I think that is even more atrocious that counterfeiting money, you are fooling a collector on what they are proud on owning.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[I'm writing an essay for my law grad class on the existence of counterfeit comics. I was wondering whether any of you guys knew where I could find information on them? Anything would be helpful but definitely things like: the extent of their existence? is it a highly specialized crime? to what extent are their creators caught and prosecuted? specific case studies would be great. any help would be great!]]></description>
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Well, this was the first thing that came up on google...
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Hey Philv - I'm the Site Director for CCL, and I've helped contribute to this great thread that got started by the members on this topic - helped identify a couple of the counterfiets floating around myself.  

Basically, there's not a whole to tell about these because the comic market is so [b]fickle[/b].  Why?   [i][b]Because the definition of what makes an item 'collectable' falls square on the shoulders of the collector[/b][/i].  While some dealers, (such as myself) in this business deem these books [i]WORTHLESS[/i], it still doesn't keep others from deemed the book having [i]MODERATE to OUTLANDISH [/i]value simply because of their celebratory status as a '[b]bootleg[/b]' comic.  

Look at the VENOM: LETHAL PROTECTOR #1 error variant.  Word is that someone printing the book ran a series of them through without printing the red foil, and then flooded the market with these as rare printings.  ERROR implies accidental.  BOOTLEG implies forgery.  But the market is divided on the topic.  At one time, [b]OVERSTREET[/b] (what I consider to be the defacto standard for pricing comics) values this book as worthless.  However, [b]WIZARD[/b] (a 'hipper' comic price guide found on the shelves of bookstores and department stores) at one time gave this book a TREMENDOUS value.  Then CGC might grade a bootleg, (as they did with the THOR #1 GOLD) and then the infamy and confusion begins anew.

Oh, and as far as identifying a book, like the THOR #1 and the WORLD WAR HULK #1 GOLD as bootlegs?  Word came from Marvel themselves on this one to me.    

TO sum it up, it's all [i]relative[/i] as far as value goes on this topic.  I would wager it's also VERY hard to prosecute someone for forgery of comics because, well, half the industry frowns upon it, while the other half supports it by buying the books and keeping the circulating which add to their mythical status.

Good luck on your paper.  If you need anything else, let us know.   
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=The_Valiant_One]Look at the VENOM: LETHAL PROTECTOR #1 error variant.  Word is that someone printing the book ran a series of them through without printing the red foil, and then flooded the market with these as rare printings.  ERROR implies accidental.  BOOTLEG implies forgery.  But the market is divided on the topic.  At one time, [b]OVERSTREET[/b] (what I consider to be the defacto standard for pricing comics) values this book as worthless.  However, [b]WIZARD[/b] (a 'hipper' comic price guide found on the shelves of bookstores and department stores) at one time gave this book a TREMENDOUS value.  Then CGC might grade a bootleg, (as they did with the THOR #1 GOLD) and then the infamy and confusion begins anew.[/quote]

I just wanted to point out that the Venom: Lethal Protector #1 Error cover is a GENUINE comic. A few cases were accidentially shipped by Marvel before the error was realized. Overstreet, Wizard, CBG all know this is a legitamate item.

There were however [i]counterfeits[/i] made of the error, which I am currently trying to re-find a scan for. What is pictured in the thread is a genuine copy. CGC is aware if how to detect originals from counterfeits.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=vacantpassenger][quote=The_Valiant_One]Look at the VENOM: LETHAL PROTECTOR #1 error variant.  Word is that someone printing the book ran a series of them through without printing the red foil, and then flooded the market with these as rare printings.  ERROR implies accidental.  BOOTLEG implies forgery.  But the market is divided on the topic.  At one time, [b]OVERSTREET[/b] (what I consider to be the defacto standard for pricing comics) values this book as worthless.  However, [b]WIZARD[/b] (a 'hipper' comic price guide found on the shelves of bookstores and department stores) at one time gave this book a TREMENDOUS value.  Then CGC might grade a bootleg, (as they did with the THOR #1 GOLD) and then the infamy and confusion begins anew.[/quote]

I just wanted to point out that the Venom: Lethal Protector #1 Error cover is a GENUINE comic. A few cases were accidentially shipped by Marvel before the error was realized. Overstreet, Wizard, CBG all know this is a legitamate item.

There were however [i]counterfeits[/i] made of the error, which I am currently trying to re-find a scan for. What is pictured in the thread is a genuine copy. CGC is aware if how to detect originals from counterfeits.[/quote]

Please accept my apologies on that one - looks like I got my Overstreet wording mixed up.  The Error IS considered a variant - (looks like 58 copies have been graded by CGC since year 2000 when this was printed) and is valued at $150.00.  They do make mention of a black counterfeit in the book, which is worthless.  My bad, guys...  



  

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Do you know of any cases where people were actually prosecuted for forgeries?
What are the different types of forgeries that you are aware of?
Are there any noticed methods for forging a known comic?
Is there any way to estimate the number in circulation?

thanks for all the help so far! I'll make sure to credit you in my research once i've found enough information.]]></description>
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Go to Marvel.com and that will be listed under contact information.

[quote=philv]Do you know of any cases where people were actually prosecuted for forgeries?[/quote]

I have never heard of any such instances. That would be VERY hard to track down, especially with the size of an aftermarket that comics have. Who really ever knows what came from where?

[quote=philv]What are the different types of forgeries that you are aware of?[/quote]

Look at the first page of this thread, all of the counterfeits that [b]I[/b] am aware of have been pictured in my first post along with detection tips.

[quote=philv]Are there any noticed methods for forging a known comic?[/quote]
The only method I am aware of, and I'm sure there's more especially now, is the old skool photocopying or scanning and reprinting. Many of the counterfeited comics were of old independently made comics, made on regular newsprint or printerpaper, so counterfeits were easially made.

[quote=philv]Is there any way to estimate the number in circulation?[/quote]
That's a tough one. There's no real way of knowing because a lot of the time the comics that get counterfeited are of low print run comics, so you really don't want to flood the market with too many counterfeits because then the price is going to drop when people think there are less rare. However, some of the counterfeits mentioned in the first post were actually numbered. Hell, a lot of the times the counterfeits are actually rarer than the comics getting duped! Try finding a Batman #497 Platinum Edition these days, it won't happen.

[quote=philv]thanks for all the help so far! I'll make sure to credit you in my research once i've found enough information.[/quote]

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You mean my lack of info for it? LoL. If you look in Wizard and Overstreet, it will mention the Batman #497 "Platinum Edition" being counterfeit and not published by DC. This is the only info I've ever been able to find about it. If you've found more, please fill me on it.

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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=patn2008][color=green][/color][size=7][/size]i have a question on a few books i got when i lived in the Philippines back in 79-81   Star wars number 1-5

are the considered bootleg or counterfiet? [/quote]

In order to give you an answer I'd need to see images of the books.  Also, do they have an indicia (small font with publisher information, issue title, date, etc. in the front or back of the book)?  I know that Marvel and DC published a bunch of Philippine versions of their books so these could be genuine.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[b][/b][u][/u][u][/u][i][/i][img][/img][center][/center][color=green][/color][size=8][/size]they have reg typewriter font  where the upc code should be located   ]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[hey thanks   when i figure out what short box i have them in  i'll scan them  i know they aint worth anything  due to where their from  and condition of them  ]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[I think it'd be about time to un-sticky this thread or just delete it. Batman007 was the last to comment it. I sure do miss that guy.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[Just thought I'd bring to the attention that there is also a Gold variant of Anita Blake issue #1 there is a small number known to exist 1 has been CGCed @9.8  I know because I was kinda lucky kinda not to have bought one of these. My wife who collects them(anita blake) was whom I'd got it for only to find out it was an aftermarket (what Marvel called them) comic. Either way she is tickled to have 1 of the few made and also ticked because it was not valid. I can say this I've collected alot of variants but this is just as good if not better than one put out normally. There is no way these books are not done by the regular printers they are to good, they've had to have been done by someone at the printers and stuck aside they are just to good and their always the first printing from what I've seen. Anyway just figured I'd let people know about it.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=Sirs]Just thought I'd bring to the attention that there is also a Gold variant of Anita Blake issue #1 there is a small number known to exist 1 has been CGCed @9.8  I know because I was kinda lucky kinda not to have bought one of these. My wife who collects them(anita blake) was whom I'd got it for only to find out it was an aftermarket (what Marvel called them) comic. Either way she is tickled to have 1 of the few made and also ticked because it was not valid. I can say this I've collected alot of variants but this is just as good if not better than one put out normally. There is no way these books are not done by the regular printers they are to good, they've had to have been done by someone at the printers and stuck aside they are just to good and their always the first printing from what I've seen. Anyway just figured I'd let people know about it.[/quote]

If it wans't approved by Marvel, then it's counterfeit. If you can, please scan it and PM it to me so that I can add it to the list in the front! Thanks for bring this to our attention.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[Ok so first I realy had no idea that people put out what is realy counterfit books I mean first what is the point of doing books from the 90's they printed so many anyway also that's just low I guess some people just have no respect for anything any more not to mention that when you buy a book you should always look it over first and that's why I do not buy on ebay. I have seen so many people I know get ripped off from the people that are on there. I mean ebay should be told about the people passing out fakes and they should be banned and reported to the cops or who ever handles that cause hey its not just wrong it:s fraud!
  God I miss the old days when you just went down to the shop and got your books, then sat there talkn crap about every book you've read and some the other person read ahhh the good old days 8-&gt; 8-&gt; 8-&gt; ]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=negge77]Ok so first I realy had no idea that people put out what is realy counterfit books I mean first what is the point of doing books from the 90's they printed so many anyway also that's just low I guess some people just have no respect for anything any more not to mention that when you buy a book you should always look it over first and that's why I do not buy on ebay. I have seen so many people I know get ripped off from the people that are on there. I mean ebay should be told about the people passing out fakes and they should be banned and reported to the cops or who ever handles that cause hey its not just wrong it:s fraud!
  God I miss the old days when you just went down to the shop and got your books, then sat there talkn crap about every book you've read and some the other person read ahhh the good old days 8-&gt; 8-&gt; 8-&gt; [/quote]

No doubt.  I'm really encouraged by the dedication of this thread to bring the information about counterfeit comics in an easy format to our members kudos to everyone for their contributions to this thread. 

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			<description><![CDATA[An Anita Blake #1 counterfeit has been added to the main page of the thread today. Thanks to Sirs for bringing it to our attention.

This thread actually has grown some legs since it's inception and I've even seen it referenced at other sites. I've even received a few emails regarding it from people outside of CCL (It's even how I was able to get my copy of V:LP #1 Black Cover!). Thanks again to everyone, and keep on the lookout.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[In regards to the Anita Blake #1, the comic itself is a legitimate copy, it is the gold foil that was added after market that makes it a counterfeit or as marvel and dabel bro. both said an "after market" book and for everyone to be able to distinguish it, if it is gold foil it is not legitimate period. As much as it pains me to say that. :(]]></description>
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Same as with the WWH, Thor and Incredible Hulk "Gold Foil Variants". The book are manipulated after the fact, but still not approved by marvel.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[I agree with comicastle...the comic exists and should be listed even if counterfeit, as long as they are noted. Isn't there another company that commisions their own covers and has the author sign them??? sealed with a certificate with serial number??? Can't think of the name??]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[I agree with a earlier post that you need to be careful buying on ebay.  Some sellers sell reprints and maybe even counterfeits as a original first print.  As always buyer beware.  Do investigate on items you bid on.  Look at their ebay feedback.  Look at the scanned pic.  Look at everything to see what you are really getting.  ]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[These aftermarket "foil" Thor and Hulk comics reminded me of something.

Check THESE out:

http://www.ndcomics.com/miracleman.html

Aftermarket foil comics...but in this case they were authorized by the original publisher!

A strange, manufactured variant...using existing inventory.

Odd.

Best,

Brett]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=comicscastle][quote=vacantpassenger][quote=comicscastle]It is good work finding out they're counterfeit, but should they be removed? They are still comic books and they do exist. I think they should be included in the database but they should be listed as counterfeit in the cover description area. Something like "Counterfeit - Not Authorized by Marvel". What do the rest of you think?[/quote]

Absolutely they should be removed. That question is actually how this list started, I brought it up last year. Check out the link at the top of this page in my first post to read what Joe had to say about it.[/quote]
I don't see any link, but if Joe doesn't want them then that's fine with me; however I still feel that a comic database should include all comics, even counterfeit ones. I'm not saying that we should justify them in any way. I'm just saying that we should recognize that they do exist. Perhaps there should be a way that they could be entered in the database but not be made available to sell. Anyway that's just my opinion and it isn't anything I feel real strongly about so I won't go off on a rant or anything.[/quote]

I know I'm very late to the discussion, but i would think they should be included too, at least in some instances.  It depends on the nature of the counterfeit.

Photocopied books probably shouldn't be included.  They weren't actually printed by the original publisher in any way.

However, on the foil "counterfeits", the books was likely printed by Marvel.  Then someone created the logos in gold leaf and applied them to the comics.  The 1:1000 may even be true.  Say Marvel did a print run of 75,000 and the guy applied gold leaf to 75, then they are 1:1000.  It's a real Marvel printing, with gold leaf applied.  I don't see that as much different than an autograph being applied later. The autograph adds value to some, just as the gold logo adds value to some.  I would include these in the database.

Or think of it in terms of cars.  If someone copies a Mustang and builds it in Mexico in a non-Ford factory, then it is a counterfeit.  However, if someone buys one from a Ford dealer and then chromes it out, it's called a Saleen and they double the price.  It isn't a counterfeit by any measure.  Just pimped out by a 3rd party.    ]]></description>
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[b][u]Batman #497 (DC: 1993) - "Platinum Edition"[/u][/b]
[size=3][i][color=darkred]Not published by DC.[/color] No photo currently available.[/i][/size][/quote]

I'd love to see this.]]></description>
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[b][u]Batman #497 (DC: 1993) - "Platinum Edition"[/u][/b]
[size=3][i][color=darkred]Not published by DC.[/color] No photo currently available.[/i][/size][/quote]
Sorry, but being new here I am late to the game. I wanted to provide information on this item specifically, which is not correct.

I own two copies of Batman 492 Platinum sent to me directly by DC Comics Marketing as a gift for helping organize a fundraiser around 1993-1994. They were also accompanied by a Superman 75 Platinum. It is the real deal, as when the DC Marketing Coordinator asked what my favorite titles were so she could send a "thank you," I told her it was Batman and Superman.

Here is an image since this listing did not have one. You would have to repaint the cover to make a counterfeit of the regular Batman 492, as it has no price, the "492" is extra-large, and it has the platinum paint where the regular is a flat color.

I'd recommend correcting this listing.

[IMG]http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww180/bosco685/Batman%20492%20Platinum/Batman492b_fc.jpg[/IMG]

Here is what a regular copy looks like compared to a Platinum. There is no way you could just lightly modify this cover. Even the horizontal bar across the top is platinum in addition to the Batman symbol behind the title, which would be a major alteration of the cover, and easy to detect.

[img]http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4/33289-796-37172-1-batman_super.jpg[/img][/quote]

Are you talking about #492 or #497?  No one has disputed that there is a #492 Platinum.  The part of the OP you quoted was for a #497 Platinum.]]></description>
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My bad. I've never even heard of a counterfeit 497 before now, and assumed you all meant the 492 Platinum and were using the wrong number.

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Check THESE out:

http://www.ndcomics.com/miracleman.html

Aftermarket foil comics...but in this case they were authorized by the original publisher!

A strange, manufactured variant...using existing inventory.

Odd.

Best,

Brett[/quote]

Back in the day, before eclipse had their flood (literally) the hardcover versions of Miracleman were just the trades, cut and glued to clothbound hardboards. Nutty, and odd. I'm not sure the ND comics are even legit, since I'm sure I could make them as well as you. 

I'm sure Cat or Dean could verify, but ND are asking a lot for items that really are not variants, as much as aftermarket remanufactured editions, like X-Force #1. 

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			<description><![CDATA[I bought a Incredible Hulk (1968)#443 marked Z-IVALID off one of the sellers on the site, is this a counterfeit ? I seen the Thor Gold variant on the database and it is clearly marked as a counterfeit. What does the Z-IVALID mean?]]></description>
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That notation is simply CCL's method of noting that the issue is already in the database. It's a duplicate marked for deletion.

Some stores don't bother to move their inventory from the ones marked Z-INVALID to the correct listing. It doesn't mean the book is counterfeit - just that it's (often) a duplicate listing.]]></description>
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In this instance, the Z-Invalid issue was a newsstand edition of the "A" listing. CCL doesn't distinguish between newsstand and direct unless there are some significant differences such as price or cover layout.

No one is going to bother to counterfeit a $1.00 comic. The counterfeits come into play with big dollar items like the ones mentioned in this thread.

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Why would you want a counterfeit TMNT #1?  It has the value of $0.   I think for the most part people with a counterfeit would probably try to pass it off as the real thing and demand top dollar for it.]]></description>
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Why would you want a counterfeit TMNT #1?  It has the value of $0.   I think for the most part people with a counterfeit would probably try to pass it off as the real thing and demand top dollar for it.[/quote]
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In this instance, the Z-Invalid issue was a newsstand edition of the "A" listing. CCL doesn't distinguish between newsstand and direct unless there are some significant differences such as price or cover layout.

No one is going to bother to counterfeit a $1.00 comic. The counterfeits come into play with big dollar items like the ones mentioned in this thread.

While I understand your paranoia around counterfeit comics, it's mostly unwarranted.[/quote]LOL I had no idea when it comes to buying online I am a newbie and after collecting for 20 years I have never heard of counterfiet comics. Then again it is first for me be on a forum thanks for the info.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=The_Valiant_One]Spoke with Marvel's legal department today, and they are INDEED COUNTERFEIT - in fact, there are a total of 3 counterfeits floating around that Marvel can confirm with the Gold Foil:

1)  THOR #1
2)  WORLD WAR HULK #1
3)  Incredible Hulk #104



[/quote]Are there any pics of these comics? I have already seen the Thor #1 gold foil but I don't know what the other ones look like.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=fbijocko][quote=The_Valiant_One]Spoke with Marvel's legal department today, and they are INDEED COUNTERFEIT - in fact, there are a total of 3 counterfeits floating around that Marvel can confirm with the Gold Foil:

1)  THOR #1
2)  WORLD WAR HULK #1
3)  Incredible Hulk #104



[/quote]Are there any pics of these comics? I have already seen the Thor #1 gold foil but I don't know what the other ones look like.[/quote]You won't find them on CCL. We don't list counterfeit comics. ]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 12 Oct 2013 06:46:50 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=comicscastle][quote=fbijocko][quote=The_Valiant_One]Spoke with Marvel's legal department today, and they are INDEED COUNTERFEIT - in fact, there are a total of 3 counterfeits floating around that Marvel can confirm with the Gold Foil:

1)  THOR #1
2)  WORLD WAR HULK #1
3)  Incredible Hulk #104



[/quote]Are there any pics of these comics? I have already seen the Thor #1 gold foil but I don't know what the other ones look like.[/quote]You won't find them on CCL. We don't list counterfeit comics. [/quote]

Really? Not that I can't understand why, but in some cases the counterfeit is worth more than the real thing. For example: Venom Lethal Protector #1 black cover.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 12 Oct 2013 11:38:41 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=BurningDoom]

Really? Not that I can't understand why, but in some cases the counterfeit is worth more than the real thing. For example: Venom Lethal Protector #1 black cover.[/quote]

It is listed on the database as a misprint. 

[url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/Issue.aspx?id=efd1381c-9281-4a60-9be8-507f60d92d32]VLPB[/url]

And is it a counterfeit or misprint?

[url=http://www.recalledcomics.com/VenomLethalProtector1Error.php]VLPBE[/url]
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			<pubDate>Sat, 12 Oct 2013 11:52:19 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=BruceReville][quote=BurningDoom]

Really? Not that I can't understand why, but in some cases the counterfeit is worth more than the real thing. For example: Venom Lethal Protector #1 black cover.[/quote]

It is listed on the database as a misprint. 

[url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/Issue.aspx?id=efd1381c-9281-4a60-9be8-507f60d92d32]VLPB[/url]

And is it a counterfeit or misprint?

[url=http://www.recalledcomics.com/VenomLethalProtector1Error.php]VLPBE[/url]
[/quote]

I'm not an expert, I'm not sure. But I always saw it listed in the Wizard Price Guides as a counterfeit.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 12 Oct 2013 12:16:46 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[It was a misprint, then prices sky rocketed so bam counterfeits started hitting the market. So both exist]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 12 Oct 2013 12:35:43 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=comicscastle][quote=fbijocko][quote=The_Valiant_One]Spoke with Marvel's legal department today, and they are INDEED COUNTERFEIT - in fact, there are a total of 3 counterfeits floating around that Marvel can confirm with the Gold Foil:

1)  THOR #1
2)  WORLD WAR HULK #1
3)  Incredible Hulk #104



[/quote]Are there any pics of these comics? I have already seen the Thor #1 gold foil but I don't know what the other ones look like.[/quote]You won't find them on CCL. We don't list counterfeit comics. [/quote]

I think he just wants to see pictures for informational purposes.  He's not saying he wants them in the database, just pics in the forum.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 12 Oct 2013 13:25:03 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=Thundercron][quote=comicscastle][quote=fbijocko][quote=The_Valiant_One]Spoke with Marvel's legal department today, and they are INDEED COUNTERFEIT - in fact, there are a total of 3 counterfeits floating around that Marvel can confirm with the Gold Foil:

1)  THOR #1
2)  WORLD WAR HULK #1
3)  Incredible Hulk #104



[/quote]Are there any pics of these comics? I have already seen the Thor #1 gold foil but I don't know what the other ones look like.[/quote]You won't find them on CCL. We don't list counterfeit comics. [/quote]

I think he just wants to see pictures for informational purposes.  He's not saying he wants them in the database, just pics in the forum.[/quote]Actually we would love to be able to list counterfeit comics for informational purposes but need to figure out a way where they can't be listed for sale. We are discussing it.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 12 Oct 2013 13:32:01 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=comicscastle]Actually we would love to be able to list counterfeit comics for informational purposes but need to figure out a way where they can't be listed for sale. We are discussing it.[/quote]

Why not just make a subforum listed as "Counterfeit comics", then lock it. Then add new topics for each counterfeit comic with pics and info on how to spot or recognize a fake. Kep everythign locked except for mods so people dont post silly stuff or ask where to buy etc and take away from 1st post. 

After that is done simply add a link to that topic in the "item Bio" of the particular comic that is being counterfeited. 

Hope that makes sense.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 12 Oct 2013 15:47:06 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=comicscastle][quote=Thundercron][quote=comicscastle][quote=fbijocko][quote=The_Valiant_One]Spoke with Marvel's legal department today, and they are INDEED COUNTERFEIT - in fact, there are a total of 3 counterfeits floating around that Marvel can confirm with the Gold Foil:

1)  THOR #1
2)  WORLD WAR HULK #1
3)  Incredible Hulk #104



[/quote]Are there any pics of these comics? I have already seen the Thor #1 gold foil but I don't know what the other ones look like.[/quote]You won't find them on CCL. We don't list counterfeit comics. [/quote]

I think he just wants to see pictures for informational purposes.  He's not saying he wants them in the database, just pics in the forum.[/quote]Actually we would love to be able to list counterfeit comics for informational purposes but need to figure out a way where they can't be listed for sale. We are discussing it.[/quote]

Why not sell them? I thought it was only illegal to publish them, or am I wrong?

There is a market out there for them, isn't there? Just make it clear they are the counterfeit versions on that variant of the issue.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 12 Oct 2013 16:01:53 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[There may be a legit market for them, but there is also a market for them among people who will buy one with the purpose of reselling it as an original.

Morally, it's just not a good road to go down.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 12 Oct 2013 16:54:47 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=Thundercron]There may be a legit market for them, but there is also a market for them among people who will buy one with the purpose of reselling it as an original.

Morally, it's just not a good road to go down.[/quote]Bingo.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 12 Oct 2013 17:04:46 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=Thundercron]There may be a legit market for them, but there is also a market for them among people who will buy one with the purpose of reselling it as an original.

Morally, it's just not a good road to go down.[/quote]

It also promotes the counterfeiting.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 12 Oct 2013 18:06:34 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=Thundercron][quote=comicscastle][quote=fbijocko][quote=The_Valiant_One]Spoke with Marvel's legal department today, and they are INDEED COUNTERFEIT - in fact, there are a total of 3 counterfeits floating around that Marvel can confirm with the Gold Foil:

1)  THOR #1
2)  WORLD WAR HULK #1
3)  Incredible Hulk #104



[/quote]Are there any pics of these comics? I have already seen the Thor #1 gold foil but I don't know what the other ones look like.[/quote]You won't find them on CCL. We don't list counterfeit comics. [/quote]

I think he just wants to see pictures for informational purposes.  He's not saying he wants them in the database, just pics in the forum.[/quote]You hit the nail right on the head. I'm not asking to list them in the CCL data base. But if CCL doesn't list counterfeit comics then why is Thor #1 gold foil variant listed?

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			<description><![CDATA[Acutally, CCL just recently (last week or the week before) added a [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/StoryArc.aspx?id=bde91ce7-ed34-415f-aa14-ae4b5093a1bf]Counterfeit Edition tag[/url] so that people can be aware of fakes. These items have no credits, character or publishers in them with details (mostly from this thread) about the forgeries. These are set up in the system in such a way that they can not be sold.

We currently only have five issues listed, but would welcome more if the info and images are good.

Thanks!]]></description>
			<pubDate>Fri, 25 Oct 2013 11:25:25 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=freakdylan][quote=Thundercron]There may be a legit market for them, but there is also a market for them among people who will buy one with the purpose of reselling it as an original.

Morally, it's just not a good road to go down.[/quote]

It also promotes the counterfeiting.[/quote] Yep.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Fri, 25 Oct 2013 20:38:27 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=SwiftMann]Acutally, CCL just recently (last week or the week before) added a [url=http://www.comiccollectorlive.com/LiveData/StoryArc.aspx?id=bde91ce7-ed34-415f-aa14-ae4b5093a1bf]Counterfeit Edition tag[/url] so that people can be aware of fakes. These items have no credits, character or publishers in them with details (mostly from this thread) about the forgeries. These are set up in the system in such a way that they can not be sold.

We currently only have five issues listed, [b]but would welcome more[/b] if the info and images are good.

Thanks![/quote]Let me crank up the presses and make a few this weekend.......]]></description>
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