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			<description><![CDATA[What is their problem?

They are taking too long to make decent movies.

By the time they get their act together it will be too late and the movie going public will have moved on to something else.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[Not sure, but if I had to hazard a guess, I'd say it's because of their parent company, Warner Brothers.  With Marvel, they can shop around to the other studios to get a picture deal and now they've started making them on their own.

DC is owned by the WB and all movie deals go through them and them alone.  It seems they keep going back and forth and can't seem to make up their minds on how to handle the properties.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 20:33:36 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I think Zomibie is on to something as DC's characters are more iconic and thus harder to translate onto the screen.  These days the stuidos have to think in terms of franchises and multi-picture deals but that's hard to come by with an established actor, and even harder with an unproven one.  Regardless, you will start to see more and more of the DC movies get made as they've just stepped up their film development.  Also, remember that DC is part of the Warner Brothers Studio umbrella so it's hard for them to develop several properties at once unlike Marvel which can shop their characters around.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[With the exception of Superman and Batman, the DC heroes can't bring in the kind of money the way Marvel has because of the popularity of Marvel's licensed property. So a lot of DC ideas for film never see production, plain and simple.

They've taken a few chances: [i]Constantine, Swamp Thing[/i]... add up the loss of revenue from these films, coupled with the success of a couple Batman/Superman movies and compare with the output of Marvel Entertainment. 

Since Blade I, the number of viewers as a ratio who see Marvel films vs DC has been high. Look at the number of DC posts compared to Marvel posts in this forum, for instance. Or... have a look at [b]jaryd1241[/b]'s poll on favorite Marvel/DC superhero and compare the number of responses. And we [i]read [/i]comics.

As a matter of taste, there has also been a CCL argument months ago that Marvel Comics make for better films. In any event, the movie houses support the popular characters (rightfully, since there's no such thing as a low budget superhero film. That works.)

[i]Hellboy [/i]was a pleasant exception. [i]Rocketeer, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen[/i]... I'm sure there are a few more, but I can only dig up four DC characters that made it to the big screen, and only two of them earned enough media credibility for a repeated comeback.

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			<description><![CDATA[I completely disagree with that Dementia. DC's characters are MORE recognizable than Marvel's, not less. I mean think about it: EVERYONE knows Batman is Bruce Wayne, yet not everyone knows that Wolverine's real name is Logan. And Wolverine is arguably one of, if not the most popular Marvel character out there. Let's compare top characters too: Marvel's got: Spider-Man, Wolverine, Hulk, Iron Man, and Captain America...vs. DC's Superman, Batman, Robin, Wonder Woman, Flash, and Green Lantern. Some guy in Japan knows everyone on the DC list, yet only half of the guys on the Marvel list. 

My point being, that DC is absolutly full of movie potential, it just seems Warner Bros. can't handle the idea of a super-hero movie right. They want to change things so it "fits the mainstream audiece." Pffftt. Why? Do they really think America is so stupid that they couldn't follow a plot from a comic book? They think they have to dumb down a comic book?! The real reason DC isn't churning them out is cause they have business men making the decisions, while Marvel leaves the movie making to the creators.

-Nate-]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[RECOGNIZABLE, perhaps... but I said popular. I would argue that less people care about Wolverine's identity than who he is and what he does. His Q factor is [i]mighty [/i]high. 

Who outside this forum knows the alter-egos for the Flash, Wonder Woman or (any of the) Green Lanterns? Not even sure everyone HERE knows, for that matter. Who remembers the FLash TV series over the Incredible Hulk, etc... I'm just not convinced the public is dying to see a Green Lantern film, even if they knew who he was, over a Silver Surfer film or a Captain America film.

It's a popularity contest. And it's [i]always [/i]about the bottom line... would you take a chance on a Lobo film or Wolverine film?



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			<description><![CDATA[This is just my opinion but, I think part of it is the characters themselves. Marvels characters are more edgy while DC's are more old school and cornball. Marvel takes more chances with their writing then DC does which translates better onto the big screen. DC has stuck to writing for kids (which is what comics were meant for in the very begining) while Marvel writes more for adults. I mean, what would you rather see? I hated the last Superman movie. All it was, was the same truth, justice and good moral issues as the 80's movies (I was pleasantly surprised by Batman Begins though). Granted, I havn't read anything new since the late 90's, so I have no idea what DC is doing these days.   ]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[Who's Lobo?

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			<description><![CDATA[I'm not sure why DC comics are not being released in theatres like Marvels, but I do believe that DC characters are not as good as Marvel's. Yes, everyone knows who's Superman and Batman, but I don't see many kids playing with them. I see they playing with Spider-Man, X-Men and Transformers toys. Damn, my girlfriend, who knows nothing about comics, seen the X-Men and Spider-Man movies and watches them with me all the time. She has no interest with Superman and Batman after watching them. 
I also think that DC's villains don't really compare to Marvel's villains. In the 3 Spider-Man movies, all the villains are top notch villains. They can actually give Spidey a fight. Then there's the X-Men against Magneto and Dark Phoenix. No offense to Lex Luthor, but I see him more of a villain for Batman then a powerful Superman. Now if they had a Superman vs Doomsday movie, or maybe Darkseid or something, that would be different. That last Superman movie sucked. It was the worst of all 5 movies from the late 70's. Now Batman, Batman Returns, and Batman Begins were the best out of the Batman series. 
Just my opinion.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:21:38 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=painkillerx]This is just my opinion but, I think part of it is the characters themselves. Marvels characters are more edgy while DC's are more old school and cornball. Marvel takes more chances with their writing then DC does which translates better onto the big screen. DC has stuck to writing for kids (which is what comics were meant for in the very begining) while Marvel writes more for adults. I mean, what would you rather see? I hated the last Superman movie. All it was, was the same truth, justice and good moral issues as the 80's movies (I was pleasantly surprised by Batman Begins though). Granted, I havn't read anything new since the late 90's, so I have no idea what DC is doing these days.   [/quote]

Everybody says that because they immeadiatly think of Wonder Woman or Superman. Those are like 2 characters only! DC has TONS of "edgy" characters. Hell, it was DC that started the whole "edgy" trend with Miller's Dark Knight Returns. If DC is all "cornball" then what about characters like Starman, Lobo, L.E.G.I.O.N., Animal Man, Swamp Thing, The Demon, [b]BATMAN[/b], Azrael, Shadowpact, The Secret Six, The Suicide Squad, Hitman, Vigilante, The Guardian, Deathstroke, Sandman, and on and on. The Super-Family and Wonder Woman aren't all DC has to offer.

-Nate-]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:49:01 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=HammerTron]What is their problem?

They are taking too long to make decent movies.[/quote]

And comics too! LoL! \:d/  Maybe that's why there's no good movies!]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:50:10 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Oh hell here we go again, I'm not getting into this Marvel vs DC thing. I'm just gonna say that there aren't as many DC movies because Warner Bros. doesn't have their shit together. I can thing of a dozen movie ideas for DC that would better than all of the Marvel movies combined, especially Green Lantern, the Flash, and JLA. But I don't work in the movie industry and I doubt anyone who does would listen to any of my ideas. So as long as Warner Bros. owns the rights to DC, we're not gonna see very many movies any time soon. And the movies that we will be seeing will be pretty crappy, except Batman, but especially JLA.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[I agree with Dementia5.

But I have to say, I'm looking forward to Dark Knight. Looks like they got their stuff together there. But that's because Batman is the most "Marvel" character DC has.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:54:42 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=jaryd1241]Oh hell here we go again, I'm not getting into this Marvel vs DC thing. I'm just gonna say that there aren't as many DC movies because Warner Bros. doesn't have their shit together. I can thing of a dozen movie ideas for DC that would better than all of the Marvel movies combined, especially Green Lantern, the Flash, and JLA. But I don't work in the movie industry and I doubt anyone who does would listen to any of my ideas. So as long as Warner Bros. owns the rights to DC, we're not gonna see very many movies any time soon. And the movies that we will be seeing will be pretty crappy, except Batman, but especially JLA.[/quote]

Oo! Hit a nerve! LoL. I was just taking another cheap DC shot.

Though I'm not a big DC fan, I too thought that a few of their character would make decent movies, if handled by the right people. Nightwing would be amazing, and the Flash would be cool. But like I said before, they have to be handled by the right people. I love Daredevil, HATE the movie. Sooo needs to be redone. I hate the Hulk, but Ed Norton's new script seems good. A good director who is actually a fan of the stories is the best thing that a movie can have!]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[Speaking of Edward Norton and Daredevil, I always felt he would have made a good DD.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:33:20 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I'm not saying anything about Marvel vs. DC.

However, DC has thousands of characters and they don't have to tell all movie goers that the movie is based on a comic book character.

The hard part would be creating movies that would be open to the possiblility of thousands of costumed heroes and villains running around on the Earth.]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:06:53 GMT</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I think it goes back to DC being owned by WB.  It seems the executives can't get past thinking that their super-hero movies must be made for children.  Look at the Batman franchise.  Despite the success of the first two movies with Tim Burton, the executives decided that they were too dark and rolled out progressively lighter movies.  I didn't think "Batman Forever" was bad, but "Batman and Robin" pulled out the worst Camp elements from the old TV show.  Schumaker bore the brunt of the blame, but he has said in interviews that the WB execs wanted more kid-friendly movies.  The new series looks like they're back on track, but we'll see if WB keeps it up or dumbs down future movies, thinking they're all for kids.

The Superman franchise fared even worse.  The first two movies were great, but 3 & 4 were abysmal.  I think that was as much the producers' lack of understanding for the characters as executive interference.  Bryan Singer missed the boat in his reboot a couple of years ago.  He made it too dark for the character, plus violated canon too much with the whole kid issue.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=BurningDoom][quote=painkillerx]This is just my opinion but, I think part of it is the characters themselves. Marvels characters are more edgy while DC's are more old school and cornball. Marvel takes more chances with their writing then DC does which translates better onto the big screen. DC has stuck to writing for kids (which is what comics were meant for in the very begining) while Marvel writes more for adults. I mean, what would you rather see? I hated the last Superman movie. All it was, was the same truth, justice and good moral issues as the 80's movies (I was pleasantly surprised by Batman Begins though). Granted, I havn't read anything new since the late 90's, so I have no idea what DC is doing these days.   [/quote]

Everybody says that because they immeadiatly think of Wonder Woman or Superman. Those are like 2 characters only! DC has TONS of "edgy" characters. Hell, it was DC that started the whole "edgy" trend with Miller's Dark Knight Returns. If DC is all "cornball" then what about characters like Starman, Lobo, L.E.G.I.O.N., Animal Man, Swamp Thing, The Demon, [b]BATMAN[/b], Azrael, Shadowpact, The Secret Six, The Suicide Squad, Hitman, Vigilante, The Guardian, Deathstroke, Sandman, and on and on. The Super-Family and Wonder Woman aren't all DC has to offer.

-Nate-[/quote]

It will never happen. "Those... two" characters are in the very camp that represents most of DC's popularity. Who knows about these other characters? Outside of Batman, Sandman and Swamp Thing, the rest are cult heros for the rest of you, and some are simply forgettable (Vigilante), even by comic reader standards. 

DC has a reputation, and a long, long lasting one, of producing "cornball" material (one of the dregs for being around for so long) with imagery like this:

[img]http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/action-comics/232-1.jpg[/img]

which I can endear as a humble slice of Americana... but how many blockbuster movies (which WB would only accept for a DC film) can come from this? And this came from a Google search... clearly, a lot of folks still put ol' Supes in the corny camp.

But it is good that DC has some advocates here in CCL. Keeps the other publishers on their toes.


[quote=vacantpassenger][quote=HammerTron]What is their problem?

They are taking too long to make decent movies.[/quote]

And comics too! LoL! \:d/  Maybe that's why there's no good movies![/quote]

LOL

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			<description><![CDATA[I'm a Marvel guy, but I would love to see a Green Lantern movie. I don't even read the comics. ]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[Up front I will say, as most know by now, I am strictly a DC fan (even though thanks to my fiancee and the public library I have been reading some Marvel) I like the Marvel movies better.  With the two big name DC movies as of late, they just seem to move so slow, where as the Marvel movies (with the exception of Spiderman) move quicker and have more action.  
I am probably one of the biggest Superman fans on the boards here, but DC really needs to move away from Lex Luthor in the Superman movies.  There is only so much that can be done with him, and I think that they have reached their limit. If The Man of Steel does make it out, a better villan, such as Brainiac or even Metallo would be nice to see.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=Dementia5]
It will never happen. "Those... two" characters are in the very camp that represents most of DC's popularity. Who knows about these other characters? Outside of Batman, Sandman and Swamp Thing, the rest are cult heros for the rest of you, and some are simply forgettable (Vigilante), even by comic reader standards. 

DC has a reputation, and a long, long lasting one, of producing "cornball" material (one of the dregs for being around for so long) with imagery like this:

[img]http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/action-comics/232-1.jpg[/img]

which I can endear as a humble slice of Americana... but how many blockbuster movies (which WB would only accept for a DC film) can come from this? And this came from a Google search... clearly, a lot of folks still put ol' Supes in the corny camp.

But it is good that DC has some advocates here in CCL. Keeps the other publishers on their toes. [/quote]

Once again, I so don't agree with that. I don't even read any Wonder Woman or Superman books. But still, I read a lot more DC than I do Marvel. I'm sure that I'm not alone here either. And yeah, Superman and Wonder Woman may be highly recognizable characters. But who said you need recognizable characters to make a good movie? Did most people outside of comics know who Blade was before the movies came out? Did most people know who The Punisher or Daredevil was? No. Hell, I bet a good majority of the people didn't even know who the X-Men were outside of Wolverine.

Anyways, by your logic, that would mean that all Marvel comics are nothing more than street violence because Spider-Man and Wolverine are the most recognizable characters. And we all know that's far from the truth. Any DC fan can tell you that the DC Universe is just as diverse as the Marvel Universe.

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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=firecop322]I am probably one of the biggest Superman fans on the boards here, but DC really needs to move away from Lex Luthor in the Superman movies.  There is only so much that can be done with him, and I think that they have reached their limit. If The Man of Steel does make it out, a better villan, such as Brainiac or even Metallo would be nice to see.[/quote]

Man, I cannot agree with this more!  Enough with Lex Luthor already!  I've read Kevin Spacey will be back for the next installment.  Let's get another villian please.  I thought Superman II was awesome (both versions) and it was all because of Zod and his minions.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=BurningDoom]

Once again, I so don't agree with that. I don't even read any Wonder Woman or Superman books. But still, I read a lot more DC than I do Marvel. I'm sure that [color=red]I'm not alone here either[/color]. And yeah, Superman and Wonder Woman may be highly recognizable characters. But who said you need recognizable characters to make a good movie? Did most people outside of comics know who Blade was before the movies came out? Did most people know who The Punisher or Daredevil was? No. Hell, I bet a good majority of the people didn't even know who the X-Men were outside of Wolverine.[/quote]

You aren't alone, but you are a minority. Which just goes to show that the majority of comic readers have been flocking to see Marvel films, before DC films. Or maybe it's just fate, who knows... but the fact is people seem to enjoy the Marvel films more and more. How many "rave" reviews came out of [i]Superman Returns [/i]'round these parts? 

And you can't deny it! you have more than a casual familiarity with Superman, a level of authority that only comes from reading the title I'd wager. 

[quote=BurningDoom]
Anyways, by your logic, that would mean that all Marvel comics are nothing more than street violence because Spider-Man and Wolverine are the most recognizable characters.[/quote] 

How on [i]Earth [/i]do you come to this conclusion? 

[quote=BurningDoom]And we all know that's far from the truth. Any DC fan can tell you that the DC Universe is just as diverse as the Marvel Universe.[/quote]

This is where [b]I[/b] disagree. Somewhat diverse, but ask any [i]Marvel [/i]fan what they'd say... just look at the feedback in this thread (and others). For my money, Marvel has a more exciting backdrop. I just think back on the Celestials (your rank, BTW. Not seeing "Vuldarian" under anybody's avatar...) , the Eternals, the Kree/Skrull war, The Shi'ar... I think it's [i]nolo contendre [/i]all the way. 

That doesn't mean DC doesn't have good moments, even great ones, but I'm trying to steer this away from a Marvel vs DC debate. Don't want to give the CCL audience too much at once  :) 

I believe the original issue was a popularity contest between the Big Two. Sales alone will finalize this, for both media: comic book sales in 2007 average about 75% Marvel 25% DC for the top 10 selling titles, and it took BOTH [i]Batman Begins [/i]and [i]Superman Returns [/i]to roughly equal one [i]Spider-man 2[/i] in box office sales. Marvel has been on top of DC for over four (4) decades, with DC only beginning to narrow the gap in the mid 80s (right around Crisis and Vertigo), but lost it again.

However, and I'll say it again, it's good that you are championing the "cause" of DC since there is such a quiet and humble collective of fans since the turn of the 80s.

And here we are in 2008. Sooo... who wants to see the new Iron Man film? Punisher? Hulk? 
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=Dementia5]
You aren't alone, but you are a minority. Which just goes to show that the majority of comic readers have been flocking to see Marvel films, before DC films. Or maybe it's just fate, who knows... but the fact is people seem to enjoy the Marvel films more and more. How many "rave" reviews came out of [i]Superman Returns [/i]'round these parts? [/quote]

Not many. But I know quite a few people that think Batman Begins was one of the best comic movies ever. And there's no denying the 1st two Superman Movies and the 1st 2 Batman movies were great! And I personally, really liked Constantine.

[quote=Dementia5]
This is where [b]I[/b] disagree. Somewhat diverse, but ask any [i]Marvel [/i]fan what they'd say... just look at the feedback in this thread (and others). For my money, Marvel has a more exciting backdrop. I just think back on the Celestials (your rank, BTW. Not seeing "Vuldarian" under anybody's avatar...) , the Eternals, the Kree/Skrull war, The Shi'ar... I think it's [i]nolo contendre [/i]all the way. 

That doesn't mean DC doesn't have good moments, even great ones, but I'm trying to steer this away from a Marvel vs DC debate. Don't want to give the CCL audience too much at once  :) [/quote]

I believe DC has a more exciting back-drop than Marvel. Once again, differences in opinion. I think the fact that 80% of the Marvel's super-powered beings live specifically in New York City, is a bit strange. While DC has Gotham City, Metropolis, Fawcett City, Central City, Coast City, Opal City, Keystone City, Themyscyria etc. And you mentioned Marvel's Cosmic stuff as a example, how could you overlook DC's cosmic department? We got the Green Lantern Corps, The New Gods, Darkseid & Apokolips, The Legion of Super-Heroes, The Anti-Matter Universe, and the freaking Multiverse just to name a few.

I believe my original point still stands. It's not anything wrong with the stories or characters at DC at all. DC has enough material to make worthy movies for the next 50 years. It's all because of the business-men running Warner Bros. Leave the movie-making to the creators, not in the hands of businessmen that have absolutely no clue what makes comics so great.

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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=remycs]I think it goes back to DC being owned by WB.  It seems the executives can't get past thinking that their super-hero movies must be made for children.  Look at the Batman franchise.  Despite the success of the first two movies with Tim Burton, the executives decided that they were too dark and rolled out progressively lighter movies.  I didn't think "Batman Forever" was bad, but "Batman and Robin" pulled out the worst Camp elements from the old TV show.  Schumaker bore the brunt of the blame, but he has said in interviews that the WB execs wanted more kid-friendly movies.  The new series looks like they're back on track, but we'll see if WB keeps it up or dumbs down future movies, thinking they're all for kids.

The Superman franchise fared even worse.  The first two movies were great, but 3 & 4 were abysmal.  I think that was as much the producers' lack of understanding for the characters as executive interference.  Bryan Singer missed the boat in his reboot a couple of years ago.  He made it too dark for the character, plus violated canon too much with the whole kid issue.[/quote]

I have to agree. Marvel is more popular than dc in the non-collector world. The last 2 Batman movies were terrible and Schumacher is to blame but your absolutely right about the WB exec's all they want is toys with 25 different outfits. Have you ever heard the pitch of Tim Burtons superman? It's horrible, first he's played by Nick Cage, Chris rock is jimmy olsen, superman does NOT fly only leaps, he has no cape, his suit was to be designed as translucent. There was supposed to have krypto the dog in it. It was a nightmare. How they got Batman begins script through is anyones guess. I would love to see a Flash movie or Green Lantern but I have more than enough faith in WB exec's to screw it up. I mean look at the justice league so far it sounds like Dawsons Creek staff found a new job. 

      I hope that they take it more serious and honestly I think someone must have noticed over at WB because when they hired Singer for Superman I got excited because he does the story right but his own way. He respects the characters but grounds them so they're more realistic. Then I heard some of the casting I started to worry but still had faith in him to pull it through. Then I saw the suit so I got really worried but again I still had faith.  Well the movie came and went I wasn't a fan now I hear he wants to come back for the sequel promising more action. He said the same thing after the first X-Men and came through.     In the end I have no faith in the WB to produce a good movie.  ]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[[b]All DC needs to do is get a couple good writers together and start a movie trilogy based on...DR. FATE!!! That'll set the stage for other DC characters getting into the movies. I mean, who doesnt love Dr. Fate?[/b] 8-[ ]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[People who don't love Dr. Strange?  :)]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[I think DC has proven that their properties are bankable with their entries into animation.  In the animation department, they far excel what Marvel has put out as far as quality goes.

They just have to find the right creative teams for live action fare.  They proved that by getting Nolan for the Batman movies.  He pulled that franchise out of the abyss.

Superman Returns was OK but for the most part, I think Singer struck out with that one.  I don't really think it's entirely his fault though.  He had to keep the story in modern day, but when you think about it, Superman doesn't really work in modern day.  At least not in live action.  I mean, Clark Kent and Lois Lane still dressed like they were living in the 40's.  A hat?  Nobody wears a hat anymore, I'm not even sure anyone wears a suit for everyday work anymore.  But the hat was what really helped Superman in his disguise as Clark Kent.  Now, with just glasses and a slouch?  It doesn't work.  If you ask me, the Superman movies should take place in the 40's.  And he shouldn't be all super powerful either, to the point where he can lift an entire continent... made of kryponite no less!]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[DC has thousands of characters to choose from.

Why does it always have to be the most well known characters?

I don't know how many movies are made every year all over the world, but I think most of them are new characters and concepts.

With thousands of characters to choose from DC and WB could easily come up with something that would be new to the majority of the viewers.]]></description>
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			<description><![CDATA[Again I think it has to do with the DC's characters being icons that are more a part of American Folklore than Marvel's and thus hard to translate onto the screen.  If you look at how many DC Cartoons there are vs. Marvel, you'll see DC is way ahead.    With cartoons, it's easier to maintain the characters whereas with films certain liberties are taken with costumes, histories etc.]]></description>
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