ukblueky wrote: HeroComics wrote: ukblueky wrote:It is not about the barcode that is significant, it is the addition of the way the book was distributed. 'Newsstand Distribution' is different in many ways. It is industry wide and well established that newsstand and direct are not the same. The Whitman Variants on the DC books, only have a Whitman logo instead of DC, or some other small change, yet they are considered variants. Marvel thought enough about the difference to make a big deal about it back in SSM #83... IcyNova wrote:
Hmm. Makes you wonder if some of those folks who oppose the recognition of Newsstand's as variants are just worried that their Direct copies will drop in value...
You couldn't be farther from the truth.But I want to ask something.Why is it a variant if the cover is EXACTLY the same?No different picture,no different title color,no different background cover.The only difference is that in the little box that bears the upc barcode(which mind you IS NOT part of the cover art) it says Newsstand or Direct.Why is it a variant when the only difference is 1 word that isn't part of the cover art or logo?
At this rate people are gonna start tearing off the covers to their comics and call them "coverless" variants. "Oh thats not a crease in the cover that is a bend variant.And because of that it's worth x amount more."
When people are knit picking over a stupid barcode box it just makes me wanna throw my hands up and quit.Because all it boils down to is greed.Somebody out there is wanting to try and make people believe there is a distuingished difference between the 2 just to justify their greed.Are we trying to spearhead the next speculators market right here on CCL?
So in the end, a Distribution variant, or a different cover makes little difference. I have stated be fore, that I do not collect this difference myself, nor will I. I also believe that the Whitman Variants should be Whitman reprints... because they are just reprinted books, not like the toys r us variants and such.
To me a collector scrutinizing those 2 Amazing Spider-Man covers and then being so anal that they want to call them a variant.Just because the little box(which is the exact same size on both covers) showcases the issue number and price different(mind you the price is exactly the same) has done went and flipped his lid.When you cannot derive more enjoyment out of your comic collection than this it is time to hang up your cape.Now if the character portrayed in the small box was different then I may say you have something.Like if Marvel leaked out that only 1 out of 100 of those issues of Amazing Spider-man contain Mary Jane in the price box then I would say sure that is a variant.Because it has something substantially different on the cover.But I need something more than the price being wrote different to consider it a variant.
Like others have said on here.No proof has been shown that such a market even exists for Newstand vs Direct editions.Now apparently there are certain issues but a handful of issues doesn't make a market.This market is strangely similair to Bigfoot.There are always the supposed sightings of him but no one can give real evidence that such a thing exists.
Maybe the Newstand variant club is so exclusive that it is a secret within a secret.Like the Illuminati.
I don't think most people know the history of newstand vs direct. Many, many issues have excatly what you describe, art on a direct edition that isn't on a newstand edition (or sometimes vice versa).
You every see a 70's Marvel or DC with a black line diagonal through the bar code? Well that is a direct market. The newsstand had a bar code with no line through it.
Then publishers had the idea that if they were crossing out the bar code anyway, why not put a picture of Spidey or Superman in the box. And they started doing that, and there you get tons of examples of direct market copies that have art newsstand copies don't have, and thus are more desirable to some.
Then, people who bought from the newsstand started complaining that direct market readers were getting extra art that they weren't getting, so occasionally a publisher would put a head sketch in a box beside the price on a newsstand copy, and the direct copy would have the CCA logo there instead. Then you have examples of newsstand copies with art the direct copies don't have, thus more desirable.
Then comic shops started having bar code systems just like newsstand outlets and they needed the bar code too. Then they started putting direct in the bar code area, or newsstand (or both). On the surface, this looks like a minor thing that could be ignored.
However, even on these modern's I don't think it should be ignored. In several instances, the paper used in the direct version was of higher quality than the newsstand version. SO you have the same cover, same, price, but different paper. To some, one paper is more desirable than the other, thus in more demand.
I don't think the average collector realizes just how different newsstand vs direct can be. I think it certainly justifies noting the variation.
And then there are other times when the prices between the two versions are different, or the covers are different, and those are obvious differences. Sometimes newsstand copies are worth less. Sometimes they are worth more. From a pricing standpoint, if there is a difference, I want to be able to buy/sell at the correct price. Without differentiating, I can't do that.http://www.comicspriceguide.com/boards/PrintTopic100664.aspx
Here was a similar discussion with some examples of the differences. Some from big publishers may not be different enough, but then look at the examples from CyberRAD, Armor, and Wildcats.http://www.valiantfans.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=414413&sid=cca960148b681c0b1776a9615d211de6
Here are some dedicated collectors of scarce Valiant newsstand versions.