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Marvel to Re-re-launch titles? Options
SlappyBlades
Posted: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 6:53:54 AM

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As a part of the All New Marvel Now we get a second re-launch of Fantastic Four in the same year? It was only January when Marvel re-launched Fantastic Four.

We also get a re-re-launch of Wolverine. Again, the second launch this year. Wolverine has an even shorter tenure as the title re-launched in May.

Now I read Marvel will re-re-launch Daredevil for All New Marvel Now? After 25 issues of Daredevil Marvel will ship Daredevil #1 in March of 2014? The same creative team from the canceled series run will now begin a new series run at #1.

I don't know how other Marvel readers feel about this but I've had enough.

Do we really need to re-launch a title every time a creative team changes? Do we need a re-launch to coincide with every movie release? And now, do we really need a re-launch just because a story arc is offering major changes to a character?

I know #1 issues sell and bring in new readers that want to feel like they are jumping on at the beginning of something. What about loyal readers? What do readers that remain committed get? A slew of canceled runs and titles that don't come with staying power.

I was one of the many that found DC's New 52 came with significant disappointment. Now I realize Marvel Now comes with its own disappointment. The disappointment of promises being broken.

So much for titles that come with artists & writers committed to a book for any significant amount of time.

This is my first post on the CCL message board. I wonder if not I'm alone on this.

What titles did anyone start buying with Marvel Now? What titles is anyone still buying? What is your overall favorite Marvel Now moment? What is your overall worst disappointment?

What All New Marvel Now titles is anyone going to buy?

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Marvel seems to be determined to never reach 50 again - that's ok - in 5 years or so after all these "Changes" - Marvel might go back and pick-up the numbering to what it should be - so we could go from Fantastic Four 18 to 999 in the span of a month Silly

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In attempting to drum up sales, I think Marvel is just confusing everyone.

First it was .1 and now we've got .INF (or whatever) and Avengers #22 is All-New #1. Just tell stories and don't worry about the damn numbering Marvel.

The Daredevil reboot is ridiculous though. Same creative team, but DD moves to San Francisco, so new #1?!? At this point, just make every story arc it's own mini-series and call these titles what they are, a series of mini-series. A new #1 every few months!

Has DC Done Something Stupid Today?

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SlappyBlades wrote:
...I know #1 issues sell and bring in new readers that want to feel like they are jumping on at the beginning of something. What about loyal readers? What do readers that remain committed get?...
What about 'em? They've already got you hooked, you'll keep spending now no matter what, right? Are you seriously going to stop collecting? They're betting that you won't, so screw you (and all the rest of us too!) - they need to keep getting more and more new people hooked too.
Don't worry, all those new readers they attract will soon be in the same boat as you.
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My comic buying has gone down A LOT when it comes to new issues. Both DC and Marvel seem to be tripping over themselves with relaunches, re-imaginings, and new #1's. It really is ridiculous (barring a few gems like Superior Spider-Man and Earth-2). I'm a loyal reader, and I'm confused at what's going on in the general Marvel Universe right now.

That just means I've been getting more back-issues the last few months on CCL (not right now, though, Christmas and all).

@Xylob:

What new readers? lol. The comic fanbase is the same fanbase it was 10 years ago. All the kids are too busy with their IPads, Androids, PS4s, Twilight, and Hunger Games.

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BurningDoom wrote:
@Xylob:

What new readers? lol. The comic fanbase is the same fanbase it was 10 years ago. All the kids are too busy with their IPads, Androids, PS4s, Twilight, and Hunger Games.
20 years ago? I honestly can't remember the last time I saw a child in a comic book store. Hell, I'm often the youngest person when I stop in on Wednesday afternoons, and I'm 40. I'm not sure who they're trying to target as "new readers" really... even the "adults" who are going to the superhero movies in droves or rabidly watching Big Bang Theory aren't committing themselves to comic collecting (or even bothering to read one once in a while).

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Big surprise, how disappointing Marvel.
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Big surprise, how disappointing Marvel.
As always the "house of ideas" sees DC do something successfully and then they copy the idea. The only difference is they didn't have the guts to do it across all titles.



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comicscastle wrote:
Shizz wrote:
Big surprise, how disappointing Marvel.
As always the "house of ideas" sees DC do something successfully and then they copy the idea. The only difference is they didn't have the guts to do it across all titles.

This. I think there's a real difference between DC relaunching it's entire universe and Marvel continuously renumbering series here and there and slapping the words "All New" on various titles. Marvel seems to be doing something very gimmicky, while DC, IMO, seemed to be trying to do something meaningful.

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comicscastle wrote:
Shizz wrote:
Big surprise, how disappointing Marvel.
As always the "house of ideas" sees DC do something successfully and then they copy the idea. The only difference is they didn't have the guts to do it across all titles.


True. But DC has been just as guilty of copying Marvel over the years.

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padreglcc wrote:
comicscastle wrote:
Shizz wrote:
Big surprise, how disappointing Marvel.
As always the "house of ideas" sees DC do something successfully and then they copy the idea. The only difference is they didn't have the guts to do it across all titles.

This. I think there's a real difference between DC relaunching it's entire universe and Marvel continuously renumbering series here and there and slapping the words "All New" on various titles. Marvel seems to be doing something very gimmicky, while DC, IMO, seemed to be trying to do something meaningful.


I agree. At least DC has stuck with their idea for over two years now, regardless if some of the initial hype has died off.

I still believe that Disney has put sales quotas on Marvel comics since they bought the company. It's my own theory, no proof. It just seems these mega-crossovers and relaunches has really amped up since the company was bought by Disney. Disney wants the company for movies and merchandising, and comics sales doesn't contribute much of anything in the big picture. And big corporations aren't interested in floating arms of the company that are not self-sufficient.

Just look at what they did to Lucasfilm's video game division. They totally shut it down, in favor of licensing out the video game properties to other companies. There's no reason to think they wouldn't do the same with Marvel if sales aren't sustainable.
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Xylob wrote:
What about 'em? They've already got you hooked, you'll keep spending now no matter what, right? Are you seriously going to stop collecting? They're betting that you won't, so screw you (and all the rest of us too!) - they need to keep getting more and more new people hooked too.
Don't worry, all those new readers they attract will soon be in the same boat as you.
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Not necessarily. My attitude toward new issues of DC titles changed pretty radically in Sept. 2011, from "I'll watch what's coming out in the hope of finding something that interests me, and purchase anything that looks halfway promising," to "It's now up to DC to catch my attention, and to overcome my inertia regarding their comics."

But that's mild compared to my sense of betrayal by Marvel. Seriously, they have led the industry in sales for 98% of the months in the last 42 years, and they can't match DC in (1) printing and binding a thicker-paper cover on their comics, while (2) charging an additional $1 per issue on many of their titles? Marvel has to offer something I cannot resist to get my purchase dollars these days.
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While the constant renumbering is irritating, I will say that I can get more new interest in a title if it's a low number than I can with a high numbered comic that is starting a "new direction".

But my biggest gripe - and this is mostly with Marvel - is that after a while of renumbering, they'll return to the big numbers to try to grab that issue in the even hundreds. They did this with Amazing Spider-Man, Wolverine, Avengers ... several times for some of them. While the some of the storylines have been quite excellent, it's a bear for filing.

If it were up to me (and it really isn't), if first issues are that important, they should go to a new volume every year. That way the deepest a story can go is 12 issues (24 if biweekly) and an annual and then start again.

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RubberMalletComics wrote:


If it were up to me (and it really isn't), if first issues are that important, they should go to a new volume every year. That way the deepest a story can go is 12 issues (24 if biweekly) and an annual and then start again.


Seems to me that they're pretty close to doing that now.
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RubberMalletComics wrote:
But my biggest gripe - and this is mostly with Marvel - is that after a while of renumbering, they'll return to the big numbers to try to grab that issue in the even hundreds. They did this with Amazing Spider-Man, Wolverine, Avengers ... several times for some of them. While the some of the storylines have been quite excellent, it's a bear for filing.


Yeah it's no fun for the Approvers here either, trying to figure out which title to put those issues with in the database.

Thundercron wrote:
RubberMalletComics wrote:
If it were up to me (and it really isn't), if first issues are that important, they should go to a new volume every year. That way the deepest a story can go is 12 issues (24 if biweekly) and an annual and then start again.


Seems to me that they're pretty close to doing that now.


This is essentially what Aspen does. Each story arc is a new series. That's why Fathom is on volume 5 and Soulfire is on volume 4, etc.

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I've been collecting comics in an erratic fashion for a long time. I bought a majority of the New 52 from DC. And most of what I read left a bad taste in my mouth.

Still, I was excited to hear about Marvel Now and remained open minded. I was aware of the re-numberings of recent past and set a rule for myself. I will go only as far as these books would take me.

With that rule in mind, I bought a majority of Marvel Now. With that rule in mind I'm now done with most of the books I tried. I've had enough. I'm going to devote my budget to comics of the past.

Super heroes are and always will be my favorite. But I won't continue to buy the chum hitting the shelves each month. Most of what I buy now is creator owned titles. Image, Dark Horse and an occasional IDW.

I like a lot of these titles. It's easier to find a satisfying read with titles that don't make me feel like I'm throwing my money away. But they're not superheroes. I'm cutting back on creator owned because I want superheroes.

I'm putting the crack pipe down. I'm going to spend more time in the back issue section of my local comic store. I don't want anymore events. I won't buy another new #1. I won't stick around hoping that next month, the next issue will get better.

I won't buy any new comics if this is the way Marvel & DC want to sell them to me.

I've got a lot of holes in my collection. I think it's time to fill the empty spaces.
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SlappyBlades wrote:
I've been collecting comics in an erratic fashion for a long time. I bought a majority of the New 52 from DC. And most of what I read left a bad taste in my mouth.

Still, I was excited to hear about Marvel Now and remained open minded. I was aware of the re-numberings of recent past and set a rule for myself. I will go only as far as these books would take me.

With that rule in mind, I bought a majority of Marvel Now. With that rule in mind I'm now done with most of the books I tried. I've had enough. I'm going to devote my budget to comics of the past.

Super heroes are and always will be my favorite. But I won't continue to buy the chum hitting the shelves each month. Most of what I buy now is creator owned titles. Image, Dark Horse and an occasional IDW.

I like a lot of these titles. It's easier to find a satisfying read with titles that don't make me feel like I'm throwing my money away. But they're not superheroes. I'm cutting back on creator owned because I want superheroes.

I'm putting the crack pipe down. I'm going to spend more time in the back issue section of my local comic store. I don't want anymore events. I won't buy another new #1. I won't stick around hoping that next month, the next issue will get better.

I won't buy any new comics if this is the way Marvel & DC want to sell them to me.

I've got a lot of holes in my collection. I think it's time to fill the empty spaces.


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I'm not sure why Marvel and DC are rebooting every couple of years, it certainly seems counterproductive. When I first started reading comics I was a Marvel guy. I liked how all of the characters lived and interacted in the same world. DC kind of confused me. I was never sure if I was reading an Earth-1 story or Earth-2 or whatever. I liked DC a lot more after the Crisis event. Continuity was easier to follow.

I can understand why the Big Two might want to start something new to attract readers but it doesn't make sense for them to alienate their long time fans.

Plus, as you mentioned, there are a plethora of super hero comics not published by Marvel or DC that are equally enjoyable. You can't go wrong with back issues either!

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I am slowly dropping new titles and concentrating on finishing up my amazing spider man and incredible hulk run.that was back when the stories may have been simpler but meant more to me.go to a comic show and you'll see the same people at each show.i don't know if they are really bringing in any new buyers or not.i would rather save and but atom#1 to finish my set than 50 or 60 new comics over 2 or 3 month period.
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I'm looking at dropping subscriptions to individual titles and going to TPBs. This will work well for the titles I collect that aren't DC. On some titles it works out to the same price, so there's no gain there, but I'll save a lot of space (some titles I'll save a little green on).
But the DC titles? Nope - they like to do stupid crap with their trades like collect issues 1-3, 5, and 7-8.

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Xylob wrote:
I'm looking at dropping subscriptions to individual titles and going to TPBs. This will work well for the titles I collect that aren't DC. On some titles it works out to the same price, so there's no gain there, but I'll save a lot of space (some titles I'll save a little green on).
But the DC titles? Nope - they like to do stupid crap with their trades like collect issues 1-3, 5, and 7-8.


Yeah, I was in my local Chapters and noticed this trend with DC.

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