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natweb
Sunday, February 10, 2013 3:13:32 PM
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Wow, after reading these comments, I HAD to login and comment! Wow, you guys really don't know what a Marvel Value Stamp is? You guys need to quit buying the latest drivel and get out there and read a lot more! These were in nearly ALL the Marvel comics through the mid 70s and if you're buying stuff from the 80s or 90s as collectors, quit wasting your time. The stories and the art from these books FAR outstrip the stuff you have been picking up. Get on the stick and learn why Marvel was once considered great. Then dare I say try taking a look at the 60s too? You won't regret it for a second and you'll absolutely forget the 80s, the 90s and the 00's ever even happened! Long live the King Jack Kirby!
natweb
Sunday, February 10, 2013 3:14:57 PM
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Also, the CGC "GUARANTEES" they've gone over the comic. Hence the G. They aren't going to lie if there's a Value stamp missing, they will grade it lower accordingly. Sheesh!
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natweb wrote:
Wow, after reading these comments, I HAD to login and comment! Wow, you guys really don't know what a Marvel Value Stamp is? You guys need to quit buying the latest drivel and get out there and read a lot more! These were in nearly ALL the Marvel comics through the mid 70s and if you're buying stuff from the 80s or 90s as collectors, quit wasting your time. The stories and the art from these books FAR outstrip the stuff you have been picking up. Get on the stick and learn why Marvel was once considered great. Then dare I say try taking a look at the 60s too? You won't regret it for a second and you'll absolutely forget the 80s, the 90s and the 00's ever even happened! Long live the King Jack Kirby!



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Sunday, February 10, 2013 4:55:00 PM
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Not having the stamp is pretty significant, if sent to CGC it would come back qualified. I would return a book with the stamp cut out or at least ask for a partial refund, depends upon how much you paid I suppose. The stamps are kind of their own category when it comes to grading, personally I grade a book FR if part of the story is missing and GD if it just affects an ad page (CCL doesn't allow qualified grades). They started at the tail end of the 20 centers & ran through the 25 centers. Not all books have them.

I had a Hulk 181 that was a qualified 8.0 with the stamp cut out, still got decent money for it, $320 a couple years ago, I think that was about half guide.



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Sunday, February 10, 2013 6:48:46 PM
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natweb wrote:
Also, the CGC "GUARANTEES" they've gone over the comic. Hence the G. They aren't going to lie if there's a Value stamp missing, they will grade it lower accordingly. Sheesh!


Lol

I can think of a dozen or so instances where people have unslabbed books only to find major errors in the CGC grading, including restoration. Anyone can guarantee anything if they dont actually have a guarantee,lol.

As to the Marvel Stamp I would ask for refund!


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Monday, February 18, 2013 1:12:19 PM
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gtb138 wrote:
Wow, learn something new everyday! I've been collecting for over 20 years and never new about that. Well, at least I don't remember hearing that! I may have heard about it and then completely forgotten. Silly

That would really irk me, if I spent a large sum of money on a book and found 1/4 of a page was missing!!



natweb wrote:
Wow, after reading these comments, I HAD to login and comment! Wow, you guys really don't know what a Marvel Value Stamp is? You guys need to quit buying the latest drivel and get out there and read a lot more! These were in nearly ALL the Marvel comics through the mid 70s and if you're buying stuff from the 80s or 90s as collectors, quit wasting your time. The stories and the art from these books FAR outstrip the stuff you have been picking up. Get on the stick and learn why Marvel was once considered great. Then dare I say try taking a look at the 60s too? You won't regret it for a second and you'll absolutely forget the 80s, the 90s and the 00's ever even happened! Long live the King Jack Kirby!


Wow. Condescending, bossy, AND informative. That's one way to teach newer collector's about the history of Marvel Comics.


A 3.0 Hulk #181 with a Green Label sold for $92 5 years ago. A 9.6 GL sold for $950 last year.
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Monday, February 18, 2013 2:08:12 PM
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I accidentally sold a comic with the stamp missing one time and now I make sure to double check every time. It's an easy thing to miss, you have to be looking for it.

As far as CGC goes, I was under the impression that several people grade each book and they take the average. Is that right? If so, then you'd think one of them would notice a missing stamp.
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Monday, February 18, 2013 2:46:50 PM
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MoonKnight1 wrote:



As far as CGC goes, I was under the impression that several people grade each book and they take the average. Is that right? If so, then you'd think one of them would notice a missing stamp.


Yes, they would. It's one of the things they look for in books from that era.
I don't believe it was stated that the book in question was third party graded, just that it was sold to the original poster with the missing stamp undisclosed by the seller. Which is a big no-no if they knew.Shame on You
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Thursday, December 01, 2016 7:41:26 PM
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Hello,
After many years buying off eBay or local comic stores--I am new to CCL, have just joined and made several purchases from a few different sellers over the last few weeks. So far, I am really enjoying the purchases I have made.

As I mostly collect bronze age comics, I have always been disappointed when buying a comic online and then receiving the comic to find the marvel stamp has been cut out (and it was not mentioned by seller in the description).

I mostly buy unslabbed comics, and was curious if there is a CCL consensus of what the highest advertised condition can be for a comic book that has the Marvel Stamp cut out. I usually buy those listed as "Fine" or higher when expecting to receive a complete comic, but still receive some of these books with the Stamp missing--so maybe I need to only buy "Very Fine" to "NRMT" to avoid cut-outs inside the comics.

I'd appreciate any input so I can more realistically know what to expect from the listed conditions of my future purchases here at CCL.

Thanks for educating this "CCL Newb". Looking forward to many more purchases here in the near future and beyond.

lcfrick
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I'm probably a lot stricter than most other people in this regard (I'm also not a seller, though), but I wouldn't grade a comic with a Marvel Value Stamp missing higher than a 2.5 (G+) and even then it'd have to be a VF/NM or better copy if it had the stamp to pull that grade. Having a piece missing from the comic, especially one specifically cut out is a huge detriment to the comic, as far as I'm concerned.

I'm trying to finish up the last few issues I need for Daredevil run, one of which is the first appearance of the 2nd Bullseye in Daredevil 131, which includes a Marvel Value Stamp. I technically don't care about whether the comic has the stamp or not, but I don't want to pay for a copy based on its apparent condition only to find out it's missing the MVS, which would then reduce its value meaning I likely overpaid. I'm surprised at the number of sellers (not on CCL, but on a certain auction website) who either don't bother to respond to my inquire about the MVS or have no clue as to what I'm talking about.

To my horror I recently realized I had no idea if my Amazing Spider-mans from that time period had the MVS and unfortunately two of them turned out to not have it (I do care about the conditions of Amazing Spider-mans, unlike my Daredevils). Thankfully I found both of them on CCL and both sellers responded very quickly to my inquiries about the presence of the MVS.

I feel like for something like the MVS can be tough to remember for sellers to look for since even with a checklist, it's still not a straight run for most titles. It'd be nice if sellers would always list things like that, but ultimately I think the buyer should eliminate all doubt before buying a copy online because of just how subjective grading can be.
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Overstreet for years stated that a cut coupon would garner a grade of Fair (1.0) if it did not affect the story. Poor (.5) if it did affect the story. So that's how I grade.

I was on a comic collecting Facebook group just a week ago. Some guy had his copy of Amazing #129 signed by Stan at a show and then had the book sent off to CGC. The book came back a 1.5 (Fair/Good) since it had two coupons missing. The guy was ranting and raving and said the book should have gotten a 6.0 (Fine) at least. The most troubling part of this whole thing, though, were how many comments their were agreeing with the guy. The ignorance is astounding.
lcfrick
Monday, December 05, 2016 5:59:25 AM
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So this was mildly interesting. I saw a CGC graded Daredevil #131 today with the Marvel Value Stamp removed and it was graded as a 9.0 qualified (green label). That seems like a really huge flaw to only put a qualified label on it for and certainly doesn't increase my confidence CGC right now, especially after how annoyed I am at them for what they're pulling at C2E2 and Emerald City comic cons.
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Missing Stamp Purchase! I purchased AMS 129 for $80 because it was missing the stamp. 2 years ago at the small comic show in Columbus, Ohio I purchased the comic. The seller had it as VF- condition. He wanted $175. It was the last comic I was missing from my run of 73-current. I was very interested, but since I had just gotten fooled on the missing stamp from the 121 I purchased a month earlier, I asked the guy if it had the Marvel Stamp. It took him a moment to tell me... he was like, should I lie or tell the truth... well, since I asked, he told me the truth, saying he'd sell it for $90. This was in a time before the Punisher revival from Daredevil show. The Marvel Stamp matters!
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lcfrick wrote:
So this was mildly interesting. I saw a CGC graded Daredevil #131 today with the Marvel Value Stamp removed and it was graded as a 9.0 qualified (green label). That seems like a really huge flaw to only put a qualified label on it for and certainly doesn't increase my confidence CGC right now, especially after how annoyed I am at them for what they're pulling at C2E2 and Emerald City comic cons.


That's exactly what the qualified label is for. When a comic has a major defect but is otherwise a higher grade, they put on that qualified label.

What are they pulling at the conventions?
lcfrick
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Thundercron wrote:
lcfrick wrote:
So this was mildly interesting. I saw a CGC graded Daredevil #131 today with the Marvel Value Stamp removed and it was graded as a 9.0 qualified (green label). That seems like a really huge flaw to only put a qualified label on it for and certainly doesn't increase my confidence CGC right now, especially after how annoyed I am at them for what they're pulling at C2E2 and Emerald City comic cons.


That's exactly what the qualified label is for. When a comic has a major defect but is otherwise a higher grade, they put on that qualified label.

What are they pulling at the conventions?


At those two conventions they've bought their way in to be the exclusive grading company for them. So CBCS isn't allowed to have a booth or anyone who can verify signatures. (They basically bought a monopoly for those conventions.)

(Also, today I learned, I always thought the qualified label was only for unverified signatures. It still seems dishonest to say what the grade of a comic would be if a major defect didn't exist... because that major defect DOES exist and there's no point in pretending it doesn't.)
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