I think everyone knows where I stand.
If it looks like a variant, then it is a variant.
Yes in most cases, newsstand editions and direct editions are interchangeable. Some collectors care about that difference, and some do not. However, the fact that there IS a difference is kinda the point. If there is a difference, then there is a difference.
I really like this topic, so I'll discuss my position on the idea.
I don't think anyone's disagreeing with you that there IS a difference, and thus a variation. If you want me to say it's a variant...ok. :) We just haven't been on board with the idea of cataloguing what are, in essence, the same book except for the UPC code and a subtle change in logo...unless there's a secondary market difference.
My opinion is that comic book buyers should decide if there is a value difference between two given comics, not CCL approvers, and not CCL sellers. We know there is sometimes a significant difference.
Most decisions have been made regarding CCL internally, but we do let our approvers and in ALOT of cases, our membership guide us and steer us as much as possible. But, approvers and sellers are also comic buyers, too. We're acknowledging a secondary market difference in Directs/Newsstands that is completely in line with industry. The Overstreet would be Exhibit A. Give me a larger community in favor of this change, and we'll definately consider it..hence the vote. I think the impression you may be perceiving is we don't care what your opinion on this one, and that's not true. There's just been...few people ask for this consideration.
I say, give the buyer the option to purchase any variant they want. The invisible hand of basic economics will have the freedom to do its thing.
Again, boiling down on what we as a community consider a variant...which is open to individual perception. On the flip side, creating an environment of direct/newwstand variants could very well backfire and turn new members off because they don't subscribe to the "looks like a variant" philosophy. That's not meant to come out mean, but from my end of the table, it can happen.
Secondly, I say, give the collector the ability to document whichever variant they have. Personal/Market notes in a given item are for things unique to that item. If it has a signature, or a notable flaw, that makes that comic book unique, then put in a market note. There is a large body of Newsstand issues out there, and a large body of Direct market issues out there. This is not an attribute unique to a given item. It looks like a variant, it smells like a variant, it even tastes like a variant. lol. (/sputters out some acrid pulp...)
Exactly. Personal/Market Notes are completely up to the individual to use as they will. Signatures, flaws, and for now, Direct vs Newsstand if that's important to them.
My final point is that a change like this only gets harder as time goes on. It would have been easy to do at the beginning, harder now, and even harder in the future as more and more issues get cataloged.
I disagree. I would argue the majority of these happened within a 20-year period, almost drying out completely 5-7 years ago. The BIGGEST challenges will be finding collectors who have Direct and Newsstand edition covers to scan and add, changing the data structure to incorporate them as uniformly as possible AND marketing the change as a positive one. For collectors who collect BOTH, the software will be a dream. To those who don't care about the difference, noone will EVER have a completist collection of titles from this period of discussion.
Um, and thanks for giving us an opportunity to vote. I kinda wonder though, did all users get a PM to cast a vote? Or just those who posted on the thread? We want to make sure we get a good cross-section of CCL subscribers, as any surveyor can tell you.
Again, the vote is completely open to all registered members, not just subscribers only. I encourage and welcome all to vote and voice an opinion. If ANYTHING, it shows that we all agree that CCL can and is being considered a collector's method of choice and garners vocal opinion.