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Poll Question: Who wins in the World's longest cave system? (Poll is closed)
Choice Votes Statistics
Storm, Goddess of Thunder (Earth 1027) 7 53%
Green Lantern (Kilowog) 6 46%

SHS 1, Fight 25 - Storm, Goddess of Thunder (Earth 1027) Vs. Green Lantern Kilowog in Mammoth Cave Options
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SuperHero Showdown 1 – Fight 25
(Round 9, Fight 1)


Welcome to Fight 29. The Round 9 opener takes us beneath the soil of Kentucky and into the World's longest cave system, Mammoth Cave.

Visiting manager Ukblueky sends out his newest acquisition, Storm, Goddess of Thunder (Earth 1027), for the Round 9 opener.

Appearing at the opposite end of the cave system is Burning Doom's fight 25 entry for The Justifiers, Green Lantern Kilowog.

And now, on with the show...



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Visiting Team: ???
Manager: Ukblueky (4–0–1–0–2)
Fighter: Storm, Goddess of Thunder (Earth 1027)




VS.

Home Team: The Justifiers
Manager: Burning Doom (4–0-1–1–1)
Fighter: Green Lantern (Kilowog)









Environment: Mammoth Cave










You and your opponent are deposited at opposite ends of the Cave system. Cave operating hours are 8:30a.m. – 5:15p.m. Central time. The environment is confined to the interior of the Cave system.


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* The winner merely has to subdue his/her opponent. It is not a fight to the death. Wrapping somebody up, possessing them, kill your opponent, knock them out, render them incapable of fighting anymore and so on all count as victory. All a character has to do is prevent their opponent from being able to continue the fight. A fighter forced out of the environment is not considered subdued. However a fighter who himself teleports away from a fight or flees in any manner is considered defeated.



* Where do fights begin?
a.) fighters begin the battle entering at opposite ends of the environment. (In a confined environment with only one entrance it will be assumed that they are transported to opposite ends of the area)
b. fights last for 24 hours
c.) fighters are fully aware that they are involved in a fight with their opponent.
d.) fighters then seek each other out. In a cell that is not so much a problem. In an open area it becomes a bit more difficult.
* The power(s) that a character takes into a fight are their current powers unless stated otherwise in the fight listings.


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Oh wow! This should be a good fight. Kilowog would have more of an advantage here if Storm was still claustrophobic. Cant wait to see rationales from both sides on this one.



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Oh wow! This should be a good fight. Kilowog would have more of an advantage here if Storm was still claustrophobic. Cant wait to see rationales from both sides on this one.


No advantage to Kilowog here.This is not the Storm from 616 Marvel.This Storm does not have the same past, which is what caused her to be claustrophobic.But the whole claustrophobic thing is moot in this environment anyway.616 Storm spent plenty of time in the Morlock tunnels, even becoming their leader, and never had a problem with her claustrophobia.And this environment is bigger than the Morlock tunnels.

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This version of Storm is Storm as an Asgardian.She still has all her regular powers plus Tarenes Hammer.Which is alot like Thors hammer.So in a nutshell imagine Thor but not as strong.

Now Kilowog is good...damn good but this environment doesnt play to any of his strengths.First off flight is greatly hindered here in the caves.Second, there may be tourists around in the caverns.Kilowog spent a good deal of time on Earth before and came to like humans.That and he's a GL and is sworn to protect life.So he will not go full on with his ring for fear of causing a cave in and inadvertingly hurting any innocents.

On the other hand this version of Storm has a complete disconnect from humans.While this doesnt mean shes a cold blooded killer,it could mean she will have less regard for them than Kilowog.
Storm can cause a global ice age, which has been shown to almost happen before in the X books.Now she doesnt have to get that drastic hete but she can cause a mini ice age in the caves and encase Kilowog in a chunk of ice as thick as she wants.Cause not only does she have the mutant power over weather but Tarenes Hammer has magical weather control.So that pretty much double the weather power.Also Storm can localize the weather to keep any bystanders free from harm.

Tarenes Hammer also has energy blasts and like Thors hammer it can be thrown and returns to its user.Either of these two tactics should be enough to shatter Kilowogs forcefield construct, should he erect one around himself.Imagine Tarenes hammer being thrown with the added zip of a F5 tornado hurtling it at Kilowog.Can you say down for the count.

In no way does this environment benefit Kilowog.It only ties his hands.

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I chose the cave environment because I knew that Storm's and Mjolnir's weather creating powers would be greatly diminished here. There are no weather systems or air pressure to create storms or winds from down in these caves. The "big ones" like hurricanes, tornadoes, tsunamis, and blizzards are ineffective in this environment.

The lightning Storm is so fond of is also ineffectual in this battle due to one of the key abilities of a Green Lantern ring:

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Green_Lantern_Ring#Oan_Power_Ring wrote:
Energy Absorption: The ring can absorb and store other energies. Doing so does NOT replenish the normal store of energy the ring has. A ring that needs recharging but contained a store of electricity could only discharge that electricity, for example.


One of the most basic functions of the ring is also to keep a comfortable environment and temperature for a Green Lantern even when in the deepest and coldest voids of space. So temperature changes are gonna bother Storm a lot sooner than they will Kilowog.

First of all, Kilowog uses his ring to create a tractor beam and hauls Mjolnir far-behind him and out of Storm's reach. He then creates a force-field in front of it, preventing Storm from recalling it back to her.

As Storm attempts to recall Mjolnir to her, Kilowog quickly catches her off-guard with a bright flash of green energy strong enough within the dark cave to blind his opponent. He then takes the opportunity rush at her at full-speed, with his natural-born Bolovaxian super-human stregth behind him, and full-dose of Green Lantern Energy Strength-Enhancer:

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Bolovaxian Physiology: As a Bolovaxian, Kilowog naturally has an enhanced physiology.

Superhuman Strength
Superhuman Endurance
Superhuman Durability
Communal Mind Link: He could also join his mind with other Bolovaxians.


While Storm the Goddess of Thunder may be Thor's wife in her dimension, she's still not Thor. She does not possess the strength nor the durability of a God. With a blow like this, she is knocked out cold, and the Emerald Warrior Kilowog stands triumphant.

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ukblueky wrote:
This version of Storm is Storm as an Asgardian.


She isn't Asgardian. She's Thor's wife and possess the mystical hammer of Tarene, but not Asgardian, still a mutant.

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In this reality, when Storm joined the X-Men, felt that she was cut off from the rest of the world. Because of this she became drawn to the violent natural forces, spending her time in hurricanes and tornadoes. Storm became attracted to Thor, the God of Thunder and eventually fell in love with him. However, Tarene was dead against their relationship and in a rage, attacks Storm. However, Thor stops the fight, with results in Tarene being killed and her hammer being given to Storm, who becomes the Goddess of Thunder.


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Theres no air pressure in the cave? .... whatever....doesnt matter.We have seen Storm use her powers in the Morlock tunnels and in space.Definitely no air pressure or weather patterns in space.Not to mention Tarenes Hammer has magical energy control.

Doom wants the voter to think that Kilowog knows everything about his opponent and somehow knows to disarm her hammer and somehow knows it magically returns to her.So he sets up a construct to block this from happening.Well I'm calling bs on this.Kilowog has no idea who Storm is or what Tarene's Hammer is.Sure he sees a hammer and knows he doesnt want hit in the head with it but he doesnt know its magical. I have read a ton of GL comics and do not recall Kilowog ever trying that disarking tactic.

Also the cold will not affect Kilowog but the 10 feet or more of solid ice that encases him is enough to subdue him for this fight.

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One more thing for anyone thats buying the whole " no weather" in the cave so Storm is powerless argument.The cave has several openings,which some are huge part of the reason for the name.It also has a river flowing through it.Plenty of moisture and wind for Storm to use in this fight.

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ukblueky wrote:
Theres no air pressure in the cave? .... whatever....doesnt matter.We have seen Storm use her powers in the Morlock tunnels and in space.Definitely no air pressure or weather patterns in space.Not to mention Tarenes Hammer has magical energy control.

Doom wants the voter to think that Kilowog knows everything about his opponent and somehow knows to disarm her hammer and somehow knows it magically returns to her.So he sets up a construct to block this from happening.Well I'm calling bs on this.Kilowog has no idea who Storm is or what Tarene's Hammer is.Sure he sees a hammer and knows he doesnt want hit in the head with it but he doesnt know its magical. I have read a ton of GL comics and do not recall Kilowog ever trying that disarking tactic.

Also the cold will not affect Kilowog but the 10 feet or more of solid ice that encases him is enough to subdue him for this fight.


I don't mean air pressure as in literal air being there. I mean weather system pressure, like a high pressure or low pressure coming together to create a storm. Because there's no sky above them for such an event to happen.

And Kilowog DOES know everything about his opponent because he has a Green Lantern Power Ring. It's gonna scan her and tell him everything he needs to know in less than an instant. This is quite normal for a Green Lantern. They can't fly into alien planets without a clue as to what's going on, they wouldn't make a very good space cop then:

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Electromagnetic Scanning: The ring has a wide range of detection abilities based on the imagination of the user. If one can conceive of it, he can probably detect it. Magical effects like clairvoyance seem to be beyond the scope of the ring. Most normal electromagnetic phenomena are within the range of the ring, including radio, radar, television, infrared, ultraviolet, microwave, and high frequency band communications.

Galactic Encyclopedia: The earlier rings worn by the Corps functioned as references for their users. Having the vast knowledge of the Book of Oa to draw upon, each ring functioned as a ready reference on most peoples, stellar events and conditions that may have been seen by other rings or other Green Lanterns. The rings also served as a repository of adventures had by the Green Lantern and these mission reports were stored in the Prime Battery on Oa for review and training.


And if even that weren't the case, it's not like the hammer is a stealthy weapon. It's gonna be freaking obvious as it's crackling with electrical energy.

Also ice is gonna subdue Kilowog? How do you figure? He's got his force-field which is automatic to all Green Lanterns:

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Force Field: The ring can create various force fields of various sizes and shapes to protect the wearer and others around him. With the cosmic scope of a Green Lantern's duties, it is only natural that the power ring is designed for operation in space. The ring creates a force field around the wearer, protecting him/her/it from the hazards of the void including filtration of stellar radiation and microscopic particulate matter which would ordinarily be fatal should the space debris strike the ring wielder at high speeds. An atmosphere appropriate to the ring wielder's biology is created inside the force-field while body temperature is maintained and waste products are removed. Gravitational stresses which could cause injury are stabilized for the ring wielder. Theoretically, a ring wielder could use the ring as his/her/its sole source of life support. The force field seems to be created instantaneously whether this is due to programming or an instinctive reaction from intensive training has not been established.


That's gonna protect him from freezing to death in the ice. And again, he's got a Green Lantern Power Ring. It's not gonna be hard for him to break out of the ice. And since it's Kilowog, he doesn't even need his ring to do that, he has natural-born super-strength.

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So how does Storm exactly hurt a super-strong, super-durable alien being with a Green Lantern ring and forcefield to boot?

The ring absorbs any electrical attacks launched at Kilowog and sends them back at Storm.

She DOESN'T have super-strength NOR Super-Durability like Thor.

Temperature changes won't affect him because of his personal environment the ring provides him.

There is no sky or weather pressure system to create a storm from.

And her mystical hammer is stuck behind a Green Energy forcefield.

So how exactly does Storm hurt Kilowog here?

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Steve Rogers has super strength and he got trapped in a small block of ice.Storm can create global ice ages, meaning she can envelope the entire earth in ice.Its nit gonna be hard to imagine her trapping Kilowog in a thick block of ice.

Storm is not from the DC universe so how can the Guardians have any knowledge of her existence? Thats right they cant.So the ring cant tell Kilowog anything about her or the hammer.

If Storm wanted to break real bad.She could shatter Kilowogs force bubble with Tarenes Hammer and while Kilowog is stunned from the blow she could freeze the moisture in his lungs and fliud in his body.Lets see how Kilowog handles ice shards protruding from every pore of his body.

Truth of the matter on this fight is the cave has almost 400 miles of tunnels.Bith fighters would spend more than the 24 hours trying to find one another.But that makes for a boring match.Laughing

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1. Thor has visited the DC Universe on more than 1 occasion, and Green Lanterns interacted with him (Marvel vs. DC, DC/Marvel All Access, DC/Marvel Unlimited Access, Avengers vs. Justice League). So the Guardians of the Universe do indeed have such information.

However, even if they didn't, the ring scans Kilowog's opponent and gives him the needed information, anyways. It's like when Samus scans an alien in Metroid Prime and knows it's abilities and weaknesses.

2. Storm can go ahead and waste her energy creating an ice age if she wants. It's still not colder than the void of space, which Kilowog is in all the time. That's what a Green Lantern's self-defense protocols and forcefield are for, or they'd make pretty poor space-cops.

3. Steve Rogers DOESN'T have super-strength. He has peak-performance human strength. Cap's strength doesn't even come close to matching Kilowog's strength. And then you also add the added energy of the Green Lantern ring behind it. Kilowog's super-strength is light-years stronger than Captain America's. And Storm has no super-strength or peak-performance strength for that matter.

4. Storm can't knock out Kilowog with the hammer if it's stuck behind a Green Energy Force-Field.

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Can Kilowog do so much at one time with that ring?

I mean your saying all at one time he is scanning,useing a forcefield, & blocking the hammer
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One thing voters should consider is the vastness of this cave.How long till the fighters find one another? How much charge would the ring have left? Any GL reader knows that the rings need recharging even if constructs arent being used in a days time.The rings charge is used up even faster when its power is being used constantly like in this environment.Cause I'm sure Kilowog isnt walking, he's flying and using it for light.The lower the charge the weaker a construct is.
Like I mentioned earler Kilowog is an awesome character, one of my favorite GL's.Trust me I respect his power and toughness.I just really believe that this environment hinders him greatly.If this battle were in space it might be a diffrent story.

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I broke the tie, Kilowog all the way.
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Another thing to consider is Storm has an indomitable will.Which is the reason she is almost next to impossible to mind control. The rings run off willpower.We have seen Batman take Jordans ring from him and Hal is called the greatest GL.So it is very reasonable that Storm can take Kilowog's ring.Not only does she have the willpower but the added worthiness added from the hammer.

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Kilowog can absolutely do all that with ring. How many times have you see Green Lantern stick someone in a forcefield to protect them while fighting a villain? And how many times have we seen a Green Lantern fire at multiple targets at once?

If Kyle Rayner, while still a rookie, can make a permanent statue of Hal Jordan (in Hal's funeral after "Final Night", in Green Lantern vol. 3 #81), and it stayed standing after several battles and complex uses of the ring by Kyle (Kyle uses complex constructs on a regular basis); then Kilowog, who is one of the most experienced GLs in the Corps and trains other GLS, can easily handle a little multitasking. Nowhere has does it say or has it been shown that GLs can't multitask their rings.



And the scanning thing, is an automatic function of the ring. It doesn't take willpower. The GL rings are mainlined to the Book of OA and function like a super-computer in that sense.

And when did Batman take Hal Jordan's ring? I remember Batman punching out a mouthy Guy Gardner, but never have I seen him "outwill" a GL for his ring. Give us some evidence or an issue number or something, because I don't believe this ever happened. It's not like she's just gonna walk up to this 10 foot tall super-powered alien and just pull the ring off of his finger.

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I dont recall the issue number but I think it happened in Johns relaunch of GL before new 52.

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My bad maybe it wasnt Batman...dang allergy medicine has got my brain all foggy.I'm confusing that with Hal giving Batman a ring.Now who was that that stole the ring off a GL by sheer willpower?

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