1) This is a database, not eBay. One comic book exists, so only one entry should exist.
If having only one entry listed incorrectly hides the information from the the public then it's right to not have an extra under the title in the indica? That's just stupid. There is no rule book that says you can't have an issue listed in multiple places on the rare occasions it would be appropriate.
2) Everyone needs to remember that this database was started in 2007 with a skeleton listing of information (mostly just title and issue numbers taken from other websites with few covers, no variants and only comic books) by people who didn't collect comics. It wasn't until early 2009 when there were a large number of volunteer approvers who actually knew comics making sure stuff was accurate.
Common sense says some flexability should be allowed to allow for a less than perfect filing system to allow it to function for everyone.
3) From the guidelines: "Cover Titles should match the indicia whenever possible." It's built right into the guidelines that it's not always possible or ideal to follow the indicia, but it is preferred.
There's no reason they can't be listed by indica right now, it's possible and preferred as you say.
X-Men/Dr. Doom 98 - There has never been an ongoing Dr. Doom series, so this one is pretty obviously the X-Men annual for the year.
I just finished reading it. It's primarily a Dr. Doom story as he searches for a way to aquire the power of Onslaught. As such the X-men have no active role in the story although a little direct interaction with Magneto for a period of time and being noticed by the Phoenix does occur. Based on the contents of the actual story a one-shot tile listing by indica makes the most sense and follows the CCL guidelines of going by indica.
Anyone collecting based on characters knows better than to just try and find titles with that characters name in it.
I still can't swear I know how to do a search by anything other than title. It was extremely confusing when I first got here. I searched the search box that appears on the side of every page. Eventually Tamwood got me to try using the library search occasionally. While I'm sure there are plenty of people that this stuff seems simple to, I'm also sure there are plenty of people like myself who at least in the beginning only do title searches and may not come back long term to learn other methods.
"Silver Surfer/Thor 98 had me not knowing there was a Thor Annual for 1998 since it doesn't pull up in the search results lumped under Silver Surfer Annual." - Because, as I just explained, the Thor series didn't have an annual that year. Silver Surfer did and it guested Thor.
I haven't read that one yet to know. I haven't seen an Indica that says there was a Silver Surfer Annual for that year though. Just an interpretation that goes against CCL guidelines about listing by indica that takes a two charecter one shot and trys to make it a singular title annual.
"You don't have to invalidate one to have the other exist at the same time." - Yes, we do. Because this is a database, not eBay. One issue equals one listing. This isn't a site where every user does whatever they hell they want.
I read through the definition of database at wiki yesterday looking for the rule that says an item that's applicable to a number of different categorys can't be listed in each where appropriate and can't find it. If anything I was left with the feeling that some flexability was essential to construct databases applicable to the wider ranges of users across broader spectrums of diverse data. I don't see myself or anyone else asking to have users doing "whatever they hell they want", just a little common sense that says an occasional item in the database can qualify for listing in multiple locations or at least until such time as improvements to the database can be implemented like pointer systems and such. Simple common sense flexability. You say it's apples, the indica says it's oranges, reading the thing says it's a pear. Sometimes it really is best handled by making a fruit salad.
"Second point, even if you do invalidate the original listing, it doesn't force anyone to move anything." - No, it doesn't, but then you run the risk of no one seeing it.
It's a risk that some will not see it but if you have multiple copys it's not really hurting anything to have 10 filed where most people would look and one filed where the minority might wind up at based on looking for a title by cover title or character name or whatever. I don't do it myself anymore intentionally but under some circumstances like with the Devil's Reign listing if the actual indica titles are ever put in then I'd be willing to leave a copy under the old listing since some people may search for it that way and it wouldn't show up in a title search from the front page store search unless at least one issue was kept loaded so they could follow the information from there to the correct titles.
"Most people wait until their issues listed in an invalidated title sell anyway" - I know for a fact that "most people" don't because I get response PMs from stores all the time saying they've moved their inventory and thanks for the heads up.
You're right. I have no frame of reference for "most", just the one's I see still listed along with conversations I've had with other stores. The way Alan explained it to me over at Brett's was that we paid to have items listed until they sell so if CCL approvers want them moved they should move them themselves at no cost since the cost for listing it was already paid.
"everything else X gets booted out of the run when the indica changes anything" - I know this is a major gripe of yours, but you need to get over it. These aren't tiny changes to indicia or short one or two issue changes. From X-Men to New X-Men back to X-Men to X-Men Legacy you have 113 issues, 42 issues, 51 issues and 69 issues. Those are major runs all with different cover and indica titles. They do not belong together.
Issue 2 belongs after isue 1. Issue 3 belongs after issue 2. Repeat through until the end. They belong together, should be together, and are listed together in some other places. The only thing keeping them seperate here is the lack of a simple / system that allows for indica's to change anyway they want and back again without changing how common sense stores them. If they were truley new titles then they would have started over with issue #1, not kept going.
X-Men(1991)/New X-Men/X-Men Legacy
keeps them together and allows for all the issues to turn up in a single search.
A simple, common sense change that allows the purists to have their indica titles listed while most people buying X-Men books get to keep them stored in the same box in the order they actually read them. I really doubt that when the indica changed names, anyone here had the remaining subscriptions payments refunded and found themselves forced to have to subscribe to a new title. I doubt anyone had them left out of their hold boxes at the B&M's since they were the same title. If those two things didn't occur then it wasn't intended to be a new title. No number #1.