Hey Philv - I'm the Site Director for CCL, and I've helped contribute to this great thread that got started by the members on this topic - helped identify a couple of the counterfiets floating around myself.

Basically, there's not a whole to tell about these because the comic market is so fickle. Why? Because the definition of what makes an item 'collectable' falls square on the shoulders of the collector. While some dealers, (such as myself) in this business deem these books WORTHLESS, it still doesn't keep others from deemed the book having MODERATE to OUTLANDISH value simply because of their celebratory status as a 'bootleg' comic.

Look at the VENOM: LETHAL PROTECTOR #1 error variant. Word is that someone printing the book ran a series of them through without printing the red foil, and then flooded the market with these as rare printings. ERROR implies accidental. BOOTLEG implies forgery. But the market is divided on the topic. At one time, OVERSTREET (what I consider to be the defacto standard for pricing comics) values this book as worthless. However, WIZARD (a 'hipper' comic price guide found on the shelves of bookstores and department stores) at one time gave this book a TREMENDOUS value. Then CGC might grade a bootleg, (as they did with the THOR #1 GOLD) and then the infamy and confusion begins anew.

Oh, and as far as identifying a book, like the THOR #1 and the WORLD WAR HULK #1 GOLD as bootlegs? Word came from Marvel themselves on this one to me.

TO sum it up, it's all relative as far as value goes on this topic. I would wager it's also VERY hard to prosecute someone for forgery of comics because, well, half the industry frowns upon it, while the other half supports it by buying the books and keeping the circulating which add to their mythical status.

Good luck on your paper. If you need anything else, let us know.

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Please accept my apologies on that one - looks like I got my Overstreet wording mixed up. The Error IS considered a variant - (looks like 58 copies have been graded by CGC since year 2000 when this was printed) and is valued at $150.00. They do make mention of a black counterfeit in the book, which is worthless. My bad, guys...

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Go to Marvel.com and that will be listed under contact information.



I have never heard of any such instances. That would be VERY hard to track down, especially with the size of an aftermarket that comics have. Who really ever knows what came from where?



Look at the first page of this thread, all of the counterfeits that I am aware of have been pictured in my first post along with detection tips.


The only method I am aware of, and I'm sure there's more especially now, is the old skool photocopying or scanning and reprinting. Many of the counterfeited comics were of old independently made comics, made on regular newsprint or printerpaper, so counterfeits were easially made.


That's a tough one. There's no real way of knowing because a lot of the time the comics that get counterfeited are of low print run comics, so you really don't want to flood the market with too many counterfeits because then the price is going to drop when people think there are less rare. However, some of the counterfeits mentioned in the first post were actually numbered. Hell, a lot of the times the counterfeits are actually rarer than the comics getting duped! Try finding a Batman #497 Platinum Edition these days, it won't happen.



Let us know what more we can do!

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You mean my lack of info for it? LoL. If you look in Wizard and Overstreet, it will mention the Batman #497 "Platinum Edition" being counterfeit and not published by DC. This is the only info I've ever been able to find about it. If you've found more, please fill me on it.

Also, this shouldn't be confused with Batman #492 Platinum Edition, which is a legit variant.

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In order to give you an answer I'd need to see images of the books. Also, do they have an indicia (small font with publisher information, issue title, date, etc. in the front or back of the book)? I know that Marvel and DC published a bunch of Philippine versions of their books so these could be genuine.

hey thanks when i figure out what short box i have them in i'll scan them i know they aint worth anything due to where their from and condition of them

I think it'd be about time to un-sticky this thread or just delete it. Batman007 was the last to comment it. I sure do miss that guy.

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thank you for bringing this to my attention

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If it wans't approved by Marvel, then it's counterfeit. If you can, please scan it and PM it to me so that I can add it to the list in the front! Thanks for bring this to our attention.

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Ok so first I realy had no idea that people put out what is realy counterfit books I mean first what is the point of doing books from the 90's they printed so many anyway also that's just low I guess some people just have no respect for anything any more not to mention that when you buy a book you should always look it over first and that's why I do not buy on ebay. I have seen so many people I know get ripped off from the people that are on there. I mean ebay should be told about the people passing out fakes and they should be banned and reported to the cops or who ever handles that cause hey its not just wrong it:s fraud!
God I miss the old days when you just went down to the shop and got your books, then sat there talkn crap about every book you've read and some the other person read ahhh the good old days