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1985 Cloak & Dagger #5 not CCA approved
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pottersan
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So, I just noticed that #5 of this series has Captain America's head where the CCA logo should be.
Why is that?
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You can add Daredevil #231 and Power Pack #23 to that list. The odd thing about 1980's Marvel directs is that (for some period of time) none of them bore the CCA seal. Only the newsstands had them. It speaks to the irrelevancy of the CCA even back then, with the customer base at comic stores trending older. I've always seen the lack of CCA seals on the Daredevil and Power Pack issues (I wasn't aware of the Cloak and Dagger issue) meaning they straight didn't qualify for the seal. I don't buy the idea the seals were accidentally left off, or fell off during printing (otherwise it'd just be blank). The replacement with Cap's head was deliberate, and seems to send a message (Captain America...Patriotism...Freedom of Speech maybe). As for the contents of the issues in question, Daredevil #231 is the most violent of the Born Again issues, as well as featuring on-panel hangings, intravenous drug use, and male backside nudity. Power Pack #23 ends with Katie Power being caught in an explosion and dropping several stories, landing face down, with the insinuation that she was dead. Perhaps this was too much for the "violence against children" clause of the CCA. I'd like to think Jim Shooter quietly proceeded with the publication of these issues despite their content. Curious to know the contents of the Cloak and Dagger issue.
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Thundercron wrote:
You can add Daredevil #231 and Power Pack #23 to that list. The odd thing about 1980's Marvel directs is that (for some period of time) none of them bore the CCA seal. Only the newsstands had them. It speaks to the irrelevancy of the CCA even back then, with the customer base at comic stores trending older. I've always seen the lack of CCA seals on the Daredevil and Power Pack issues (I wasn't aware of the Cloak and Dagger issue) meaning they straight didn't qualify for the seal. I don't buy the idea the seals were accidentally left off, or fell off during printing (otherwise it'd just be blank). The replacement with Cap's head was deliberate, and seems to send a message (Captain America...Patriotism...Freedom of Speech maybe). As for the contents of the issues in question, Daredevil #231 is the most violent of the Born Again issues, as well as featuring on-panel hangings, intravenous drug use, and male backside nudity. Power Pack #23 ends with Katie Power being caught in an explosion and dropping several stories, landing face down, with the insinuation that she was dead. Perhaps this was too much for the "violence against children" clause of the CCA. I'd like to think Jim Shooter quietly proceeded with the publication of these issues despite their content. Curious to know the contents of the Cloak and Dagger issue.
This one is NOT the direct version.
Instead og the white "M" that conatis the issue and price it has the issue and price in one box and Cap's head in a smaller ox next to it, where the CCA would go.
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Could it possibly be a reprint? Maybe something that was put with an action figure?
Can you put up a picture?
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pottersan wrote:
Thundercron wrote:
You can add Daredevil #231 and Power Pack #23 to that list. The odd thing about 1980's Marvel directs is that (for some period of time) none of them bore the CCA seal. Only the newsstands had them. It speaks to the irrelevancy of the CCA even back then, with the customer base at comic stores trending older. I've always seen the lack of CCA seals on the Daredevil and Power Pack issues (I wasn't aware of the Cloak and Dagger issue) meaning they straight didn't qualify for the seal. I don't buy the idea the seals were accidentally left off, or fell off during printing (otherwise it'd just be blank). The replacement with Cap's head was deliberate, and seems to send a message (Captain America...Patriotism...Freedom of Speech maybe). As for the contents of the issues in question, Daredevil #231 is the most violent of the Born Again issues, as well as featuring on-panel hangings, intravenous drug use, and male backside nudity. Power Pack #23 ends with Katie Power being caught in an explosion and dropping several stories, landing face down, with the insinuation that she was dead. Perhaps this was too much for the "violence against children" clause of the CCA. I'd like to think Jim Shooter quietly proceeded with the publication of these issues despite their content. Curious to know the contents of the Cloak and Dagger issue.
This one is NOT the direct version.
Instead og the white "M" that conatis the issue and price it has the issue and price in one box and Cap's head in a smaller ox next to it, where the CCA would go.
I know, that's what I'm saying. These three issues have barcodes in the UPC Box, and the same corner box as Curtis Circulation newsstand editions. They are newsstand editions, not reprints.
Howie, do an eBay search for these issues and you'll see what I mean.
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Nevermind. Here.
Daredevil #231
Power Pack #23
Cloak and Dagger (1985) #5
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Thundercron wrote:
pottersan wrote:
Thundercron wrote:
You can add Daredevil #231 and Power Pack #23 to that list. The odd thing about 1980's Marvel directs is that (for some period of time) none of them bore the CCA seal. Only the newsstands had them. It speaks to the irrelevancy of the CCA even back then, with the customer base at comic stores trending older. I've always seen the lack of CCA seals on the Daredevil and Power Pack issues (I wasn't aware of the Cloak and Dagger issue) meaning they straight didn't qualify for the seal. I don't buy the idea the seals were accidentally left off, or fell off during printing (otherwise it'd just be blank). The replacement with Cap's head was deliberate, and seems to send a message (Captain America...Patriotism...Freedom of Speech maybe). As for the contents of the issues in question, Daredevil #231 is the most violent of the Born Again issues, as well as featuring on-panel hangings, intravenous drug use, and male backside nudity. Power Pack #23 ends with Katie Power being caught in an explosion and dropping several stories, landing face down, with the insinuation that she was dead. Perhaps this was too much for the "violence against children" clause of the CCA. I'd like to think Jim Shooter quietly proceeded with the publication of these issues despite their content. Curious to know the contents of the Cloak and Dagger issue.
This one is NOT the direct version.
Instead og the white "M" that conatis the issue and price it has the issue and price in one box and Cap's head in a smaller ox next to it, where the CCA would go.
I know, that's what I'm saying. These three issues have barcodes in the UPC Box, and the same corner box as Curtis Circulation newsstand editions. They are newsstand editions, not reprints.
Howie, do an eBay search for these issues and you'll see what I mean.
Yeah, I never doubted they were newstand as they had the UPC, just never heard anything about the CCA not being on hese issues before.
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Ah, I see what you mean. That is very strange. Don't think I've ever come across any of those before.
Thundercron wrote:
As for the contents of the issues in question, Daredevil #231 is the most violent of the Born Again issues, as well as featuring on-panel hangings, intravenous drug use, and male backside nudity. Power Pack #23 ends with Katie Power being caught in an explosion and dropping several stories, landing face down, with the insinuation that she was dead. Perhaps this was too much for the "violence against children" clause of the CCA. I'd like to think Jim Shooter quietly proceeded with the publication of these issues despite their content.
Curious to know the contents of the Cloak and Dagger issue.
This was the first appearance of police detective Brigid O'Reilly's alter ego - Mayhem. Brigid was
killed by fellow cops while investigating drug dealers smuggling narcotics in religious icons
only to be resurrected by the mutant powers of Cloak and Dagger. Maybe a little too extreme for the CCA.
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MoonKnight1 wrote:
Ah, I see what you mean. That is very strange. Don't think I've ever come across any of those before.
Thundercron wrote:
As for the contents of the issues in question, Daredevil #231 is the most violent of the Born Again issues, as well as featuring on-panel hangings, intravenous drug use, and male backside nudity. Power Pack #23 ends with Katie Power being caught in an explosion and dropping several stories, landing face down, with the insinuation that she was dead. Perhaps this was too much for the "violence against children" clause of the CCA. I'd like to think Jim Shooter quietly proceeded with the publication of these issues despite their content.
Curious to know the contents of the Cloak and Dagger issue.
This was the first appearance of police detective Brigid O'Reilly's alter ego - Mayhem. Brigid was
killed by fellow cops while investigating drug dealers smuggling narcotics in religious icons
only to be resurrected by the mutant powers of Cloak and Dagger. Maybe a little too extreme for the CCA.
Interesting. Wasn't there something in the early days with the CCA about not showing the police committing crimes? If I ever saw Jim Shooter at a convention, I would totally ask him about this stuff. I also noticed in those links that the Canadian price variants also were missing the seal, so that shows they still didn't bother placing the seal back on when they changed the cover price.
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